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Scott
user 10283917
Glenwood, IA
Post #: 461
Does a "state" in the union have any "state" citizens or does a "state" only have federal citizens that are "residents" in the "state"?

How can a "state" stand upon the premise of the ninth and tenth amendments when it is no longer made up of its own "citizens" which would be the "members" and "persons" that make up the "separate" body politic or corporate that would be "the state" from the body politic or corporate that is called the "United States"?

None of the "states" are "sovereign", they are all political subdivisions of the "United States" since all "citizens" are "citizens of the United States" are "residents" in one of its "states", even the "state" legislatures, executives, bureaucrats, etc. are all US citizens, they have to be in order to "vote" because the corporate body is only a FEDERAL corporate body made up of federal citizens.

There are NO state citizens. There haven't been an "state" citizens since 1868.

Lets say one of the "states" tried to break free from the union, what citizens, members/persons of a corporate body politic, are breaking free? State citizens? Or Federal citizens?

So what is it called when the members of a corporate body politic try to "break free" from their duties, debts and obligations as members and persons of that body without paying their fair share of the debts and exiting without permission of the whole body? What is that called? Is that a "righteous act" under the law of nature and the law of nations?



Scott
user 10283917
Glenwood, IA
Post #: 462
The Confederacy tried to break away unlawfully and unrighteous TAKING lawfully ceded federal property with them without justly compensating the Feds for all the federal property in southern territory, like forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings. The Confederacy just took it in adverse possession without even extending offers to buy it all back at value or negotiate some sort of trade deal. And what happened to the Confederacy due to this unrighteous act of covetousness and theft? They got their butts handed to them on a plate and were forced to go under tribute to a superior master.

The Law of Nature and Nature's God can be extremely brutal for the slothful, the covetous, the adulterous, the thieves and the unrighteous.

A former member
Post #: 237
Call it what you want unlawful or lawful, if the side that suceded wins the war then thats a new nation.

You can say this about Texas breaking away from Mexico but guess what it happen.
Scott
user 10283917
Glenwood, IA
Post #: 463
Call it what you want unlawful or lawful, if the side that suceded wins the war then thats a new nation.

You can say this about Texas breaking away from Mexico but guess what it happen.


So according to that logic, might makes right and the rule of law takes a back seat. So why are you so upset when your sacred Constitution is not obeyed by the people or their rulers?
Scott
user 10283917
Glenwood, IA
Post #: 464
There are "quiet" wars, meaning wars that are fought without gunfire, etc. The quiet war that was fought in the United States body politic from the 1880s, there abouts, up to complete victory in the 1930s, was a quiet war that created a "new nation", a communist nation still called the United States, all done by and with the consent and participation of the "members" and "persons", i.e. citizens and nationals of the corporate body politic called the United States.

Until the individual U.S. citizen is willing to take back all their natural law responsibilities, obligations and duties to be a "patronus" a "father" for their natural family and their their neighbors, setting their neighbors free first from the civil law obligations of having to "pay" taxes that fund the communistic benefits each citizen does not want to pay for themselves, like educating their own children, social security, medicare, medicaid, mercenary police and military protection, etc, they will continue to be under tribute, by force, to the father they have set over themselves, which right now Uncle Sam is that "patronus", the "father" standing on the natural law precept of the "law of the father" that provides all of these duties and obligations to his dependent citizens by taking from all and giving to some by consent, application and participation. Communism 101 "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need".

Honor your father and mother so that your days may be long upon the land your Creator is giving you, in other words, pay "tribute"/excise taxes to your father and mother, don't pass off the responsibility to care for an elderly or infirm parent to another "father" and his entities like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. just because you paid into those communistic welfare schemes based on consent, compelled performance and force. This is not honoring your father and mother but passing the responsibility off to another.

So until U.S, citizens take back their "inalienable" God granted responsibilities under natural law, they will continue to be punished for their sloth, "sin" and "wickedness" by being a member, person, citizen of a nation that covets and steals so their father has no choice but to oppress, regulate and control them as punishment for all their violations of the Law of Nature.

I read that the annual cost per student for a public school education/indoctrination in the US body politic is approximately $10,000 per student. But the average property tax bill in the United States body politic is approximately $2,000.00 per year which is usually the primary source for public school funding.

I guess in the body politic called the United States Hillary Clinton was right, it does take the whole village and then some to raise a child. And the portion of property tax paid per legal title homeowner does not increase as that homeowner registers more of his children into the communistic public school system. Their property tax bill, which is the tribute/excise tax paid to their "father" to educate "his" registered and "certified" children in "his' schools, stays relatively the same. From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

So if a typical US citizen has two kids in public schools that's a cost of $20,000.00 per year and the registered parent(s), are only responsible for paying 1/10 of that cost, on average, $2,000.00. Their neighbors, however, if they have children in the public schools or not, or maybe never even had children, are forced by their consent and participation to foot the bill for the other $18,000.00 or have their "father" kick them out of their home for not honoring him by non-compliance of his civil laws. Wow. And you wonder why the United States is rotting from within? The people are unrighteous covetous thieves and they don't even know it because they are under a very strong delusion.

And if they happen to "wake up" they really only bitch, moan and complain, about not being "free" and then work to be the ones in the positions of power and authority so they are the ones ruling over their neighbors. They never choose to repent and return to the way of personal responsibility and righteousness as natural law fathers and mothers, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters. Such is life.
Bill H.
user 62175312
Omaha, NE
Post #: 2
So where is the Promised Land which we can live in in order to do that which the Father commands us to do ?
Scott
user 10283917
Glenwood, IA
Post #: 465
So where is the Promised Land which we can live in in order to do that which the Father commands us to do ?

That's a great question. And takes a lot of prayer and teaching to completely understand these matters of international law and the Law of Nations.

Most people seem to believe that their corporate body politics are the land. That is not the case. A "state", "nation", "country" (all three are synonyms in legal dictionaries, see below), inhabit a "territory". A state, nation, country is a corporate body politic, that inhabits a territory, but if that corporate body politic were to dissolve the land does not dissolve with it. The land was not created by the United States corporate body politic. The land was created by The supreme sovereign of the Universe so it is His.

The next exodus will not necessarily include a definitive change in geographic location. The kingdom of God/Heaven is everywhere under "heaven", the atmosphere, wherever two or three are gathered in the name, i.e. character of Christ, which means keeping the Law of Nature and Nature's God, i.e. in a separate jurisdiction or "body politic or corporate" than those of the civil law body politics that men create for themselves.

Just like other nations, the free and separate "church" that is not bound to a civil law master/lord via consent, application and participation, i.e. state incorporation, 501(c)(3) non-profit status and determination, where the DOJ and IRS are the overseers and protectors of Uncle Sam's so-called "churches". The truly free and separate church has its own government, law and jurisdiction and can own property with an equitable title and beneficial interest, not merely a legal title to possession and use, because the true church that is in the world but not of the world (world being kosmos or an apt and harmonious arrangement, constitution, order or government) is not a part of the civil law systems or governments of men. There is a separation of church and state.

These concepts are usually very strange to most people because of how we have neglected the weightier matters of law, justice, mercy and faith. Primarily what words really mean. Like "state", "nation" and "country" being synonyms.

Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition:

State: In its largest sense, a "state" is a body politic of men. A body of people occupying a definite territory and politically organized under one government. A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and customs into one body politic exercising, through the medium of an organized government, independent sovereignty and control over all persons and things within its boundaries, capable of making war and peace and of entering into international relations with other communities of the globe.

Nation. A people, or aggregation of men, existing in the form of an organized jural society, usually inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth, speaking the same language, using the same customs, possessing historic continuity, and distinguished from other like groups by their racial origin and characteristics, and generally, but not necessarily, living under the same government and sovereignty.

Country. In the primary meaning "country" denotes the population, the nation, the state, or the government, having possession and dominion over a territory. The territory occupied by an independent nation or people, or the inhabitants of such territory.

Church. In its most general sense, the religious society founded and established by Jesus the Christ, to receive, preserve, and propagate His doctrines and ordinances. It may also mean a body of communicants gathered into church order; body or community of Christians, united under one form of government by the profession of the same faith [fidelity] and the observance of the same ritual and ceremonies.

Society. An association or company or persons, generally unincorporated, united together by mutual consent, in order to deliberate, determine, and act jointly for some common purpose. In a wider sense, the community or public.

Community. A society or body of people living in the same place, under the same laws and regulations, who have common rights, privileges and interests. People who reside in a locality in more or less proximity. Neighborhood; vicinity; synonymous with locality.

These all have a corporate nature to them and have nothing to do with the land. The kingdom of God is a real viable kingdom, government, body politic, nation, state or country. It has been here since the beginning; but so has man's civil law city-states, nation-states-countries. It has always been our free will choice as to which nation, state, country, i.e. corporate body and form of law and government we freely choose to live in, participate in, and become a part of as a member and person. I do not have to more to a "promised land" since I am already inhabiting a "promised land". I simple have to "expatriate" and be "born again" into a new "body", a new body politic or corporate, a new state, nation, country (a people sharing the same laws and customs) I prefer His Church, His Laws, precepts, commandments, because it is truly, lawfully and legally separate and distinct from the governments of the other "nations" i.e."gentiles".

I hope this helps a little.

Peace,
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