The Future — Where are we going? (continuation from June)

NOTE: This is a continuation of June's topic, since some wanted to participate but were on the waiting list, and others wanted to continue the conversation. As in June, this Meetup is limited to 10 participants. Those who were no shows in June, wait until July 15 to RSVP to attend. Those who attended in June, please wait until 5 July to RSVP, to permit those on last month's waiting list to RSVP first.


Some questions to prime the pump:

  • What are the issues that will affect our future?
  • Will we, through our collective decisions, resolve these issues for the better or worse?
  • How will we use the new tools available to us?
    • For better or worse?
    • As a time waster or to provide a more efficient use of our time?
  • Have multinational companies become more influential than the nation-state?
    • Is that good, bad or a bit of both?
  • How does the Faustian Bargain come into play?
  • Do you believe in the caterpillar/butterfly as an analogy to what the future holds?
  • While life is changing with an ever-increasing momentum, what are some commonalities that never change?
  • How important will our value systems be in determining what the future holds?
  • In discussing these questions, perhaps we can get a better understanding of some philosophical questions:
    • Who are we?
    • How do we choose to relate to all the elements of life-the environment, the planet and other people?
    • Who do we really choose to be?
    • How do we choose to relate to life itself?
    • Why are we here?
    • Where are we going from here?
    • What is the meaning of one’s life?

This discussion is not meant to cover everything but a way of allowing the conversation to go wherever it takes us. Choose which references you like. Please come prepared to share your knowledge and participate so that we can all come out of the meeting having a better understanding about the future.

References for more information on these topics:

For those who prefer to read:

We have the privilege of Erika sharing her essay about the future which she has written.  You can find it in the "more" tab under files.

Liberating the Future from the Past? Liberating the Past from the Future? A Short-Listed Essay.

http://atrandom.com/the-future/

The Future by Al Gore

http://business.time.com/2013/05/07/how-silicon-valley-is-hollowing-out-the-economy-and-stealing-from-you-while-theyre-at-it/

Who Owns the Future by Jaron Lanier

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/unraveling-the-mysteries-of-the-human-brain-by-javier-defelipe - including the comments


http://www.dni.gov/index.php/about/organization/national-intelligence-council-global-trends - can be downloaded to Kindle, Apple iBooks, PDF via Scribd, PDF via DNI.gov for free


For those that prefer video:

http://crossroadsfilm.com/watch/ - a documentary

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12758 - Al Gore

Please feel free to add in the comment section any questions, thoughts or additional references or email me to add references or questions in the description.

Let the conversation begin!

 

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  • A former member
    A former member

    Hello
    My sincere apologies that I need to leave middle meeting , I received call urgent
    But my concern about meeting was good and interesting.
    I would love talk more, but my english is very poor , I am hard student english so next time I can be talk much better .Thank you for this opportunity .
    Clara

    July 18, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Don't worry about your English. We will be patient, listen, & work it out.

      July 18, 2013

  • Mark H.

    Robots and software-based automation are replacing human workers at rapidly increasing rates. Western capitalism has no place for unemployed people. Can human entrepreneurship really accommodate all the wage earners who will be displaced? Sci-Fi suggested the possibility of a life in which automation enables all basic needs to be met apart from earning a wage (ala Star Trek's Federation). When most human workers have been replaced, who will buy goods and services?

    If you were starting a business and you realized you could deliver high-quality products and services at lower costs than all competitors, by NOT hiring people, wouldn't you automate from the start?

    Given that nothing is likely to prevent automation from leading to a widespread collapse of wage jobs, how could the economy be reorganized to retain the customer base required by capitalism while not requiring that customers earn incomes through traditional employment?

    (links will follow)

    1 · July 16, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Actually, I read "Lights in the Tunnel" and bought "Race Against the Machines" and "The New Digital Age" (the last one being your recommendation). Lanier's book is now on my 'to-read' list, along with Gore's "The Future".

      July 17, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      This is part of the reason why I believe that an economic system (& how it is ingrained socially) that is predominantly capitalistic will pay a high price in human suffering for the advantages it brings. The U.S. compensates somewhat for the disadvantges by adding some socialistic programs. I think we need more socialism & less capitalism in our country & globally.

      1 · July 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I think that this group represents the future of mankind ;)

    July 16, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Crafty. That can be interpreted a number of ways...

      July 17, 2013

  • Mark H.

    Thanks for another thoughtful discussion. It was good meeting Bob, Clara, and John. As Jerry observed, discussions of the future seem to orbit tightly around economics. Also, and related, environmental degradation (including climate destabilization) is a critical threat. Yes, there are many smart, well-intentioned people, but—on the whole—the bus drivers are still steering toward the cliff. The topic of small, efficient 'human-scale' housing and greater self-reliance came up, along with greater local cooperation in day-to-day living, and in addressing global issues.

    July 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Good discussion. Mark was a good leader.

    July 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I haven't gotten a chance to read the updated material. :\ Sorry! Thought I would have the time to do so!

    July 16, 2013

    • Mark H.

      That's not required. You are still welcome to attend. It's a freewheeling discussion.

      July 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I will head over after my Storyboarding class at CNM. Hopefully, I will not be too late.

    July 16, 2013

  • Tim L.

    (continued) Social networking has changed the political landscape throughout the near east, but efforts are already underway to restrict its effectiveness in the west, such as the recent exposure of government spying on our private communications. A grass roots movement may be the only way we'll be able to impliment a constructive plan for our future. We can design a utopian future but new methods for political action must be enacted in order to bring it to fruition.

    2 · July 16, 2013

    • Dianne

      You and I must be on the same wave length right now. I am probably going to lead the August meetup with a practical application of your message right here in NM. The citizens of NM will have the opportunity to see right now what is happening with our state. You are correct that with social networking and our vote, we can collectively make a difference. Remember we are voting this October with mail in ballots starting in September. You will have an opportunity at the August meetup to see what is happening in our great state and be better educated on what our leaders are doing to us with specific facts that should be concerning to anyone. More info coming soon……………

      PS Like your picture!

      1 · July 16, 2013

  • Tim L.

    It is common knowledge that technology being developed by the government, and particularly the military, is at least 30 years in advance to that which has been presently released to the public. This seems to dictate much of the direction we will take. Unless Americans can proactively influence congress to eliminate the undue influence of lobbyists and corporate political donations that control our programs, our future seems to be sealed. Insidious groups like the GOP's ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) are vigorously working at the state legislative level to eliminate many of the social advances that have been implimented since the 1940's. The Vote is our primary weapon against this organized effort to eliminate our freedoms, and even that is being manipulated by the super-rich in order to prevent representation (i.e., gerrymandering, black and minority voter suppression, etc.) by the people.

    2 · July 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Ola

    July 11, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Hi, Clara. Looking forward to a good discussion.

      1 · July 15, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      I hope ....too

      July 15, 2013

  • Dave N

    Hust to let you know, I don't get out of work until 6 pm+, so I'll be late... :-)

    July 15, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Thanks. No problem.

      July 15, 2013

  • Dianne

    Some information I’ve found informative about the future:

    Harvard Business Review blog: Alarming Research Shows the Sorry State of US Higher Ed

    http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/mcafee/2013/07/alarming-research-shows-sorry. html

    The New Digital Age by Eric Schmidt and Jaren Cohen

    Who Owns the Future? By Jaron Lanier

    July 11, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Thanks for the link. I see that you haven't signed up for this meetup. Have you already packed to leave for Mexico?

      July 11, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I hope to learn something

    July 11, 2013

  • Mark H.

    Social media interacting with various (primarily economic) susceptibility factors is leading to a rise in self-organizing, leaderless social networks that have real impacts. Consider the Arab Spring, the ouster of Mubarak and then Morsi (reflecting increasing popular influence over Army actions), the recent Turkish and Brazilian uprisings. Will this trend continue and grow, or will it be undercut by increasingly sophisticated surveillance states (one of the few topics liberals and libertarian conservatives agree on)? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21829234.300-brazil-uprising-points-to-rise-of-leaderless-networks.html#.Udic5j54b24

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-prism-verizon-surveillance/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-helminski/the-security-state-totall_b_3487347.html

    http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/03/the-surveillance-state-isnt-coming-its-h

    July 6, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    We are all here on this planet to make it a better planet and not to reap the wind for our own selves.

    1 · July 2, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Let's hope that's a prevailing perspective. The jury is still out.

      July 6, 2013

  • Mark H.

    If you haven't already checked it out, see the info at http://www.meetup.com/ABQPhilosophy/messages/boards/thread/35578262 It presents a future-oriented information source you may find interesting

    July 5, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I will wait until the 5th on Friday & sign up again if there are still slots available.

    July 3, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Welcome back

      July 5, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Thank you. It is my answer to the question: Where are we going? And if anyone uses the phrase "moving forward" or "going forward" I will immediately execute them.

      3 · July 5, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Looking forward to it

    July 3, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Bob, to sign up for this meeting, use the RSVP button at the upper right section of the page. Instructions are at http://help.meetup.co...­

      July 5, 2013

  • Tim L.

    Onward into the Fog!

    July 3, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Keep your fog lights on. You'll see the future .04 seconds before impact.

      1 · July 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I signed up before I read the notice to wait until July 5.

    July 2, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      If you want me to retract my signup to allow others who didn't make the first meetup a better chance, let me know.

      July 3, 2013

    • Mark H.

      Thanks, Jerry. That will work. Then you can RSVP again on Friday.

      July 3, 2013

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