Attend THINK at GCC - discuss the ethical controversy surrounding vegetarianism

This month's topic for consideration and discussion:
IS MEAT MURDER?: the ethical controversy surrounding vegetarianism

(?) Is it morally right to inflict pain onto other species?

a) How can we justify the meat industry and scientific research when it causes millions of animals to suffer?

<> If humans have a right to avoid pain, why don’t other species?

a) What is implied in Genesis 1:28 when God gave us “dominion” over the animals?

For more details, go to http://www.meetup.com/THINK-The-Critical-Thinking-and-Discussion-Forum-San-Jose/events/135855532/

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  • Dana N.

    We had a great discussion about suffering, morality, and animals. It was interesting to see how similar our sense of morality is, and how different we come to our conclusions.

    September 5, 2013

  • Dana N.

    It was great. Wonderful to have this discussion with people who had religious views, a few meat eaters, and vegetarians.

    September 5, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Is this even an issue in Christendom? Apparently God loves burned offerings and the fragrance of those offerings, not to mention the horrible ways God wanted the animals to be displayed on the altar. I know, I know, that was the Old Testament. Sheesh!

    I offer to animals the same right to kill and eat me if they want. If I were in an African savanna, I'm sure I wouldn't last long before a lion got me.

    We evolved as a omnivorous species...just saying.

    Some Christians will tell you a T-Rex was created to be vegetarians originally before the fall.

    "To Serve Man." - Twilight Zone

    September 3, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Chuck, please don't bow out on my account. What I usually like to do is bring up interesting points to question. I have not revealed my personal thoughts or ethics on the issue yet. Truth be known the thought of what we do to animals for food troubles me greatly. I'm not even going to the event...too much personal baggage at that venue. You'll probably find much support for your side there. Hang in!

      September 4, 2013

    • Tim

      Neil is correct about cats and dogs. We have artificially raised the number of predators on the planet for our own amusement. They were originally used to aid us in hunting for our own meat, but now they just consume vast quantities of farmed meat and wild fish stocks. Vegans and vegetarians who own meat eating pets are hypocrites.

      September 5, 2013

  • Dana N.

    Google says the address is invalid.

    August 31, 2013

    • Invisible Pink U.

      Oops. It's actually Gateway City Church.

      September 5, 2013

    • Dana N.

      That info is helpful. So the Cafe is just the place on the church grounds. Thank you! Look forward to seeing all of you tonight.

      September 5, 2013

  • Dana N.

    Joel, since this is a cafe we are going to, do we look for a room where people are having this discussion?

    September 5, 2013

    • Brian B.

      It's not a real Cafe Dana. Just a lunch room for the church

      September 5, 2013

  • Dana N.

    I also had trouble with this address, but I found directions eventually: http://bit.ly/17b34MY­

    September 5, 2013

  • Brian B.

    So keep in mind everyone that this particular forum is directed at Theists and this event is at a church. That being said, the Christian take on this can be very different from our own. I was raised as a Baptist to believe we had "dominion" over the animals and therefore could eat them as we pleased. I'm not sure how they are interpreting things these days, but if you attend, prepare for a slightly different argument.

    September 4, 2013

  • Leo B.

    As far as I'm concerned, from a rationalist point of view, "moral right" is what hasn't caused and isn't expected to cause any adverse (according to the current understanding of "adverse") societal consequences in the long term. Slaughtering animals, especially in a humane enough way, as designed by Temple Grandin, doesn't seem to cause any. What are we concerned about, then?

    Isn't the whole notion of "rights" an imaginary construct? Shouldn't we be dealing in objective capabilities and granted possibilities?

    September 4, 2013

  • Dana N.

    This isn't an atheist take. Atheism only means not believing in gods. However, for my own personal ethics, this is a very important topic to me for many reasons.

    September 4, 2013

  • Tim

    I have my little meat eaters that night so I won't be able to make it.

    September 3, 2013

  • Steve

    I'm unaware of the controversy, but as a vegetarian with a background in environmental economics I hope to offer something to the discourse.

    September 3, 2013

  • Darrell

    My yes is a maybe, but I would like to join.

    September 3, 2013

  • Tim

    I guess I'm the primitive meat eater of the group. I grew up in a lower middle class hunting and fishing family so I've eaten almost everything that's edible in North America and then some. I have scaled back my consumption of red meat, and meat in general in the last few years for various reasons, but I do love me some meat at least a few times a week. Not sure if I could ever give it up completely, but I am concerned about the treatment of livestock and the environmental impact of raising meat for food. I have been looking for more responsible/sustainable solutions, but the real solution is for folks to just eat way less meat on a daily basis. Americans eat way to much meat IMHO, and as more countries become developed they will follow our lead. I've read that the solution to 9 billion humans on the planet will be consumption of insects. YUK! I'll try almost anything, but I would probably just go vegi if that were the only sustainable source of protein. Soilent Green anyone?

    September 3, 2013

  • Don B.

    Natural rights are not contingent upon the laws or customs of any particular culture and therefore universal. If anyone is discussing rights of another species, these must be rights that all species apply universally to any other species. I think it is apparent that there are no rights that animal species recognize for any other species. There are only rights that humans have decided were rights of all humans, despite their culture or government. Thus anything applying to species other than humans is a protection, not a right.

    September 3, 2013

  • Chuck B.

    Wish I could attend as I've been vegan for 20 plus years and can see both sides of the animals as food debate. Of course I'm on the side of "if you can enjoy foods without killing then do so".

    September 2, 2013

  • Dana N.

    I'm all over this one. Been going the rounds with Buddhists who take the high moral ground only when it's convenient, IMHO.

    August 31, 2013

  • Brian B.

    I'm going to have to sit this one out guys, enjoy!

    August 31, 2013

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