RE: [atheists-93] Reason Rally to advance secularism - Sat. 3/24/12 in DC
| From: | Ale & Aly |
| Sent on: | Friday, October 21, 2011 3:27 PM |
Brian Neal Clyne wrote:
> how certain are you this is a real event?
That's a very good point. It didn't occur to me that it could be fake.
I call myself out on committing an "Argument from Authority" fallacy.
The authority being the websites I listed, of course.
Because we're atheist, please indulge me and review my tentative "proof of existence" for the Reason Rally event:
(a) Evidence#1: YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjU_J7VOIjM
(b) The clip at (a) features David Silverman, president of the American Atheist group
(c) Evidence#2: YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XEgkViLbTk
(d) In the clip at (c) you can see David engaged with Bill O'Reilly in the famous "tide goes in, tide goes out" debate
One can find plenty of clips with David Silverman being referred to as president of the American Atheist group.
I hope that at this point we have successfully established that David Silverman's identity is legitimate.
Let's continue:
(e) In the clip at (a), David talks about the Reason Rally, although he does not offer a date and place
(f) The clip at (a) features date and place in the bottom-right corner
(g) However, (f) could easily be forged, e.g. by pasting the logo to an older clip, so we cannot rely on (f) as a conclusion
(h) In the clip at (a), behind David you can see mentioning of the American Atheist group website: www.atheists.org
I hope that at this point we can conclude that www.atheists.org is a legitimate website.
That comes from finding David's identity legitimate, and from (h).
I do realize that as in (g), one could still argue that (h) could also be forged.
However, this is much harder to achieve than forging (f).
I do realize that (h) is my weak point.
Finally:
(i) Evidence#3: website www.atheists.org
(j) Website at (i) features the same logo from (f) with date and place
(k) Clicking on the logo at (j) takes you to website www.reasonrally.org where the Reason Rally is extensively advertised
QED?
> how certain are you this is a real event?
That's a very good point. It didn't occur to me that it could be fake.
I call myself out on committing an "Argument from Authority" fallacy.
The authority being the websites I listed, of course.
Because we're atheist, please indulge me and review my tentative "proof of existence" for the Reason Rally event:
(a) Evidence#1: YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjU_J7VOIjM
(b) The clip at (a) features David Silverman, president of the American Atheist group
(c) Evidence#2: YouTube clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XEgkViLbTk
(d) In the clip at (c) you can see David engaged with Bill O'Reilly in the famous "tide goes in, tide goes out" debate
One can find plenty of clips with David Silverman being referred to as president of the American Atheist group.
I hope that at this point we have successfully established that David Silverman's identity is legitimate.
Let's continue:
(e) In the clip at (a), David talks about the Reason Rally, although he does not offer a date and place
(f) The clip at (a) features date and place in the bottom-right corner
(g) However, (f) could easily be forged, e.g. by pasting the logo to an older clip, so we cannot rely on (f) as a conclusion
(h) In the clip at (a), behind David you can see mentioning of the American Atheist group website: www.atheists.org
I hope that at this point we can conclude that www.atheists.org is a legitimate website.
That comes from finding David's identity legitimate, and from (h).
I do realize that as in (g), one could still argue that (h) could also be forged.
However, this is much harder to achieve than forging (f).
I do realize that (h) is my weak point.
Finally:
(i) Evidence#3: website www.atheists.org
(j) Website at (i) features the same logo from (f) with date and place
(k) Clicking on the logo at (j) takes you to website www.reasonrally.org where the Reason Rally is extensively advertised
QED?
PS: I just added all of the above as a reply to my own original post on meetup.com
I just find it funny enough to be preserved for posterity (anyone who hasn't seen the "tide goes in/out" debate, you have to check it out!).
There's also a bit of narcissism on my part involved, undoubtably.
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Subject: Re: [atheists-93] Reason Rally to advance secularism - Sat. 3/24/12 in DC
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:15:21 -0400
how certain are you this is a real event?
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On Oct 19, 2011 6:18pm, Ale & Aly <[address removed]> wrote:
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> I just found out about this, and I thought it could be good to spread the voice:
> http://reasonrally.org/
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> http://www.youtube.com/user/reasonrally
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> I also opened a new discussion topic about this on meetup.com so we don't clog email boxes, see here:
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> http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-Atheists/messages/boards/thread/17017692
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> From their website:
> "The Reason Rally is a movement-wide event sponsored by the country?s major secular organizations. The intent is to unify, energize, and embolden secular people nationwide, while dispelling the negative opinions held by so much of American society? and having a damn good time doing it!"
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> "The purpose of this particular rally will be to advance secularism (in the broadest sense of the word) in society."
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> Speakers include: Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Taslima Nasrin, James Randi, Bad Religion.
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> Listed sponsors: American Atheists, American Humanist Association, Atheist Alliance of America, Camp Quest, Center for Inquiry, Freethought Society, Military Atheists and Freethinkers, Secular Coalition for America, Secular Student Alliance, Society for Humanistic Judaism, Stiefel Freethought Foundation, The Brights, The James Randi Educational Foundation, The Richard Dawkins Foundation, United COR.
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