RE: [atheists-93] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Sen. Inhofe vows to filibuster Judge David

From: user 4.
Sent on: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:31 AM

Very eloquently put, Chris.

 

For the record: I do have my activist side, albeit admittedly subdued compared to some, which largely involves the conservative fundamentalist influences on women’s  rights, gaming and liquor laws. These are personal and private issues with me. My purpose in joining an atheist organization was for social reasons only – to hopefully converse with fellow “non-believers” in the Atlanta area and possibly meet like minds near me in Alpharetta – not necessarily to engage in deep political/philosophical/religious discussions, but merely to interact socially without having the Bible shoved in my face.

 

If, in fact, this atheist group was organized for the sole purpose of banding together in a “common cause”, expressed through evangelical/activist/banner waving, parade-marching atheism, then the error in perception was mine and I need dismember.

 

Lindy

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28,[masked]:28 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [atheists-93] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Sen. Inhofe vows to filibuster Judge David

 

Take a breath and put it all in perspective.  Recognize why this is so.  I've heard it said more than once that the very notion of organizing a bunch of atheists is much like herding cats.  At best it is an enormous challenge and in reality is only likely to ever really mobilize a very small proportion into whatever sort of  organizational effort anyone tries to undertake.  I think it is a mistake to attribute this to ego or apathy.  To me it seems more a product of the very characteristics that have brought us (or kept us, for those who are lifelong atheists) to be what we are.  That intellectual independence and resistance to following the herd is a double-edged sword.  

 

Let me also add another factor to this, which is simply that literally the only guaranteed common viewpoint that we will all definitely share is that we lack belief in any gods.  That's it.  How we manifest that perspective -- a strong or weak position ("lacking belief" or affirmative "no gods can possibly exist") -- and any additional philosophical conclusions such as moral/ethical, political, and aesthetic considerations, are not at all guaranteed to be held in common.  How activistic one might prefer to be, what particular issues one might prefer to pursue, and whether one even sees the issues as being a direct threat are matters that each (in their intellectual independence and resistance to following the herd) is going to have deliberated and concluded in a way that just may not match up well with those conclusions of others, even though that deliberation was rationally conducted in light of what values have become important to that individual.

 

Anyway, we're all here having these discussions for one reason or another, and no surprise, those reasons are going to vary from person to person.  I need to respect that variety of reasons.  If I'm here for reason A, I might find a few others who identify with reason A and can join me in that, while still enjoying the company of those who really don't care about reason A and respecting that they're here for reason B or C or D.  I equally respect your reason, which is seeking others who see importance in activism to protect our interests, as well as Lindy, who isn't here for activism but finds it worthwhile to talk with people who aren't needing to invoke "god" as a factor in every part of their lives.  Lindy has been quite beaten up for not having an interest in activism, and that's unfortunate.  Personally I'm somewhere in between on that.  I don't get on board with every issue but some are just too egregious to ignore.  I see a balance between self-preservation and driving the rest of the world to hate us even more than they already do.  That's my comfort level, one I've derived of my own personal deliberation, and I don't expect anyone else to necessarily agree with me.  That's fine, though.

 

--Chris

 

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Carmen <[address removed]> wrote:

Dave:

 

I have asked the same thing before and provided worthy causes to fight in the name of Atheism and the greater good.  However, the Atheists in this group don't seem to be interesed in putting their money where their mouth is.  Apparently, bullshitting back forth over irrelevant crap seems to be more fulfilling for the ego than doing something to stop those who are running this country into the ground.

 

Peace!

 

Carmen

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Dave <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Dave <[address removed]>
Subject: [atheists-93] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Sen. Inhofe vows to filibuster Judge David
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 7:45 PM

Instead of attacking other atheists, why don't the people who love to make fancy arguments and run their mouths do something more useful and protest what the fundamentalists in the below email are trying to do.

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