Re: [amug] IMAP to POP in Apple Mail

From: user 1.
Sent on: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:35 PM
Hi Robin,

Very interesting. I finally managed to set up Mail today on the computer that I could never get it on. The ISP is AT&T's U-verse and I've suspected that that was the problem though I had no definitive reason to think so. The incoming and outgoing servers I named in Mail setup were <incoming.att.net> and <outgoing.att.net> respectively. The email address is *****@bellsouth.net. It works and I'm not going to change anything now. Also, it's most definitely a POP3 account. I'm pretty sure SSL is checked and authentication is Password. (The computer is not mine nor near me now.)

This all leaves me scratching my head and yet... it's so AT&T.

David
On Sep 26, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Robin Sherman wrote:

Gordon, just got off phone with ATT support. The specs you show below are the same as this tech person is telling me they should be. 

Also, this person says ATT is ALL POP. If this is correct, somehow Apple Mail, when it automatically looks for the server to use when you are setting up an email account in Apple Mail, is finding an ATT  server that's different from the AT&T recommended servers. And then Apple mail identifies the account as IMAP. Whether Apple Mail really treats it as an IMAP account I have no idea (because I've never bothered to find out what the difference is between IMAP and POP), but it clearly says IMAP when you look at the "account type" in Preferences.

Right now, my new email address is finally working for incoming and outgoing (outgoing is slow to send; takes a good 15 seconds), BUT I am NOT using ATT's recommended severs. 
For incoming I am using: imap.mail.yahoo.com. Port 993 (yes, 993,  not 995). SSL is checked and  authentication: Password (this is the setup spec that Apple Mail automatically setup)
For outgoing, I am using mail. bellsouth.net. Port 25. Uncheck SSL. Authentication: None. (this is the setup spec that the ATT tech person  gave me for ATT's legacy Bellsouth servers

When the above stops working, I will try their recommended setup, as you have below.

When I click on an unread email in Apple Mail, it unbolds the same email on the ATT webmail site. But when I click or open an email on the ATT webmail site, the same email stay bold in Apple Mail. Is this normal behavior for a POP account or an IMAP account?

While the above is working, for now, I still do not know why the new email address is being seen by Apple Mail as IMAP.

Inquiring minds desperately want to know why.

I'll check out gmail more carefully. Thanks for letting me know that it CAN work much like Apple Mail.

Robin 


On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Gordon Potter wrote:

Robin -

Since ATT now offers IMAP, you and anybody else undoubtedly can "choose" either POP or IMAP.  If ATT does not give you the option when you create a new account, you could make the choice by the mail servers you choose.

I would really, really appreciate your posting the IMAP servers and settings.

Here are POP servers and one set of settings that work with an  "@bellsouth.net" email address
Incoming Server - pop.att.yahoo.com
Outgoing server - smtp.att.yahoo.com

Outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication.  Use the same setting as the Incoming server

Incoming Server works on Port 995 and requires SSL encrypted connection

Your outgoing server (SMTP) works on port 465

Regarding gmail -  I have over a dozen emails, so don't feel like you are the only person with a few.  I don't know about have 8 separate gmail addresses.  I suggest you start reading a gmail.com -  I use one gmail account to collect email from various non-gmail accounts.  This is done in the settings area and gmail just checks periodically and downloads emails.  You can tell the system to delete or leave email on for example bellsouth.net servers.  

I am pretty sure gmail supports aliases.  So you you have Rob1@gmail as your main account, you could also have emails sent to Rob2@gmail and accept for the person sending the email everything would be just as if the email was sent to Rob1@gmail

My wife uses other features in gmail including addresses such as  Linda.XYZ@gmail and Gordon.XYZ@gmail -- this kind of a setup means various people who all are at XYZ, can separately collect emails directed to in the example Linda and Gordon.  I do not know what this is called or how it works.  But it is covered in the help sections of gmail.

It is possible to have mail sent to a Gmail account forwarded to another email account.  So you have 8 gmail accounts, you could have all 8 forwarded to say [address removed] -- if you did that, then you would only have to login to one gmail account to collect all your mail.

In short the system is very flexible and probably can do whatever you want if you look.  


____________
Gordon Potter
Atlanta, GA





On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Robin Sherman wrote:

David, et al., I just created a new email account. This time I paid more attention. And I created an ATT.net domain name address. No where does it allow you the choice of creating a POP account or a IMAP. It does w hat it does without telling you what type of account it is. It is only when you set it up in Apple Mail that you see that it is an IMAP account or a POP account. My new email address works for now for both receiving and sending. For sending, however, it tales about 15 seconds to "gear up" to send. An annoyance, for sure. 

Now all my email addresses are POP accounts except for one. Not only that, the incoming and outgoing mail servers for the IMAP address are different from all the other accounts. So is the port and SSL.

Gordon, thanks for your reply. It looks like ATT IS using IMAP now for new email addresses. Re gmail, I have 8 email addresses. Yes, 8. To have 8 addresses on gmail would mean having to log in and out for every account to check my email. Am I wrong? If not, then no thanks. That's why I use Apple Mail, so I can see all my emails without having to log in and out from account to account.


Robin Sherman
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