A Pagan Christ-Myth

We're doing something a little controversial this coming Christmas day.  We all know that the origins of Christmas are totally pagan and many are secular traditions. But most believers (Christians) are totally unaware that their most precious holiday was based on pagans theologies of gift giving and celebrating the winter solstice.  

Part of the purpose of BYS is to educate the public on atheists views and to offer an alternative world view.  This event supports that purpose.  I understand  most BYS members are probably busy this day with family and/or friends.  We have a small committed group of 4 who will be there with small signs which will be similar to "Christmas was first a Pagan holiday".   We also have printed some hand-outs about the holiday traditions and their Pagan roots as well as opinions of Biblical scholars that Jesus was most probably not born on Dec 25th.  

We'll be there from 10am to about 2pm.  Come anytime.  

RSVP either way, and remembers Meetup will toss you off the list if you do not RSVP yes or no within a 6 month period.

Lastly, I'd like those who have not paid for any memberships the last couple of years to  please contribute a small $4/month recurring membership fee at  http://backyardskeptics.com/wordpress/contribute/

Our conference will be announced soon with some fabulous speakers and we need everyone's support.  Thanks in advance!


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  • A former member
    A former member

    To me it is not a question of do we have a right or will it make atheists be disliked. It is about being part of a revolution of truth and secularism. To me we are simply fighting back freedom from religious oppression, civil and human rights are not a liberal conspiracy. They aggressively defend the indefensible, they wish to only have things there was removing the rights of others forcing their god and religious freedom like a tool of religious oppression. I will not be silenced I feel no shame in speaking the truth it is them who should feel condemned for telling lies and reserved in expressing falsehood as truth. So basically, what they're saying is that good manners and appropriate behavior to stay quite stay oppressed and not make them feel bad or uncomfortable for oppressing all of America with their religious beliefs.

    December 25, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      No revolutionary thinking will ever be accepted that asks for things to change. In revolutionary change one is not concerned to not offend the status quo in fact that often is the main objective. If nothing changes, nothing changes. Could you image women's rights, civil rights, gay rights, or now atheists rights being blocked by the belief we need not to offend, not cause issues to be actively addressed or go unchallenged/unchanged because others would dislike it? It is not us who are in a chosen battle with them it is them who are at war against us to silence and remove all but them as victims and put us as perpetrator for daring to ask for truth and equality and exposing their systemic marginalization ("siege" on Christmas a sinister campaign by "secular progressives" to advance a radical agenda) (1).

      (1) http://mediamatters.o...­

      1 · December 25, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      They move it from us as victims under a forced one-sided religious holiday in a supposed secular country to saying its them who are victims having to limit their forced one-sided religious holiday propaganda entitlements (the right to celebrate Christmas is under attack), and active right to dominance (the latest challenges to religious freedom are taking place) (2) is already the status quo. But it is them who are wrong not us, the Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that a Nativity scene at a courthouse was unconstitutional because it lacked secular symbols of the Christmas season, making it seem as if the county endorsed the religious message (1).

      (1) http://mediamatters.o...­

      (2) http://nation.foxnews...­

      1 · December 25, 2013

  • Bob

    I consider the outreach events to be the most important and useful things that atheists can do. I had some good discussions with theists at the pier this past summer and would really like to see more of this kind of event not only at the pier but other local venues and on a regular basis.

    That said, I think this is a very bad idea. It reinforces the negative view of atheists as just being out to take away people's fun and dump on their beliefs. The beliefs deserve to be dumped on but there is a time and a place and a way to do that and this is not it. This can only serve to increase the general dislike and distrust of atheists.

    1 · December 23, 2013

    • Bob

      The point about people there likely being less religious is well taken and the idea of reaching out to isolated atheists at this time is also good. If that's how this event was directed then I'd be all for it and would most likely participate. An outreach to show that atheists can enjoy the holidays would have been a good idea. An outreach expressly intended to point out how wrong Christians are is just playing into their narratives about the evil, miserable, lonely atheists that just want to take away the joy from everybody else. I really look forward to other outreach events but I still hold that the way this one is set up it can only do more harm than good.

      December 24, 2013

    • John K. Stephens I.

      This is about educating the public on the holiday season. This education will hopefully change the publics misconception of the holiday season being Christian. At the least someone could get all riled up and want to prove those evil Atheist wrong and look up some of the things we say. If one person does this then I am cool with ten hating us for it.

      2 · December 24, 2013

  • Charlene

    I think this outreach is important. The people who would really be offended are not the people who are the target of this outreach, and the others I don't really care about. I see the harm Xians do to captive proselytizees in the jails, homeless shelters, alleged drug 'rehabilition' programs, domestic violence shelters, etc. by forcing their supernatural beliefs on helpless beneficiaries, er, I mean victims of their programs. The Salvation Army is the worst, a cult if there ever was one.
    I am offended by this. And even more so since participation in some of these programs is forced by our government through the courts.
    I generally dislike and distrust Xians. So what.

    December 23, 2013

    • Suzette

      Very valid points both sides. We do have the beautiful First Amendment in this country. So I say use it!

      2 · December 23, 2013

    • Cat

      No one at these events tries to force people to listen. Big difference from someone standing there screaming repent or burn in hell.

      3 · December 24, 2013

  • Charlene

    Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it. My daughters have my day planned!

    December 23, 2013

  • Janenne D.

    I wish I could attend, but I am working on Christmas this year. I look forward to hearing about it and seeing the pics afterwards.

    1 · December 22, 2013

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