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Re: [atheists-55] Event for GBAC Meetup. "Both are the best approach"

From: Mark
Sent on: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:38 PM
And just today a relevant link was posted on one of the sites I frequent

http://www.cracked.com/article_15759_10-things-christians-atheists-can-and-must-agree-on.html



From: Michael <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thu, June 17,[masked]:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [atheists-55] Event for GBAC Meetup. "Both are the best approach"

Exactly - "both are preferable" as Dave Barry used to say. 

Coincidentally, another thing Dave said was "   ���The problem with writing about religion is yhat you run the risk of offending sincerely religious people, and then they come after you with machetes.���

And speaking of humor helping -- this short clip of Sam Harris is of interest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZsobWW1pQQ



> I'll take the middle position. Both are the best approach.
>
> You need to aggressively attack religion. Religion likes to presume
> itself
> off-limits to critique. Take a look at any of Bill Donohue's rants and
> you'll see that his job is to be offended at anything that doesn't shed
> Catholicism in the best possible light. The same holds true of Muslim
> leaders who will call Jihad on anybody who even makes a cartoon Mohammed.
> Other examples abound. Without a loud voice, religions will continue to
> keep their converts shielded from any alternative worldview. And there is
> a
> lot to rant about. Religion is causing increasing harm to society.
>
> One of the best tools for this is humor. Converts are tied to their
> religious beliefs by emotional hooks. Humor breaks through those bonds,
> and
> opens their eyes to how others view them. This often makes them rethink
> their beliefs and leaves them more open to reasoned arguments later.
>
> On the other hand, you also have to work with religion. There are
> religious
> groups that hold some of the same values we do as individuals. For
> example,
> I happen to be liberal and I have worked with a liberal Christian group.
> The only issues where we differred were religious ones. In other aspects,
> we held the same views. For example, that Christian group was staunchly
> for
> separation of church and state. The church and state issue is an
> important
> one to most atheists, but it is not just an atheist issue. The only way
> to
> truly have freedom of religion in this country is for the government to
> stay
> out of it.
>
> We have to show religious people that there is a common ground on which we
> can work. For example, when we talk about morality, we have to nudge them
> to think about why something truly is good or bad, other than just "God
> said
> so". In addition, it is useful for us to work alongside them in charity
> work. It gives us a chance to show our "good side" as well as explaining
> our non-religious motivations for helping others. They can relate those
> to
> their own reasons for doing so.
>
> So, both approaches have their uses. I wouldn't put either one of them
> above the other.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Kevin Grishkot <[address removed]> wrote:
>
>> OK, since I don't have much in the way of official business and
>> updates,
>> I thought I'd spice things up by having a debate among ourselves. The
>> debate topic will be: Aggressive Atheism vs Passive Atheism, which is
>> the
>> better approach? So, I'll be taking the position endorsing aggression,
>> who
>> wants to be moderator and who wants to take the counter position?
>>
>> RVSP
>> Thanks
>>
>> Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run
>> away...
>> It really pisses him off.
>>
>> The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
>> AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
>> EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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