Re: [atheists-55] Event for GBAC Meetup. "Both are the best approach"

From: Janan B.
Sent on: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:03 AM
Just saw a CNN piece on Freedom From Religion Foundation & their bus w slogan Sleep In On Sundays!   This would not have happened even 10 years ago. Clearly, CNN's Chris Jansen was not in agreement about this, & the spokeperson could have done a better job of explaining the issue.  I don't think you attack someone's belief directly because that brings defensiveness but you can, in the proper context, as Hitchens does, pose a question to challenge logic.  Works for me...


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On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:38 AM, cory geissler <[address removed]> wrote:

I agree that trying to disprove religions is for the most part a waste of time. I do believe that we need to take action in the areas where we are impacted. Namely defense of the establishment clause. We won't be able to convince the Religous right and the Tea party folks that We were not founded as a Christian nation. We can however inform and convince those who are in the middle, especially young adults. The fundamentalists as far back as Parson Weems, have brainwashed Americans into believing that the founders were staunch Christians. Most of us who are advocates for separation of church and state know Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison were Deists who did not believe in the divinity of Jesus. I feel that we could have less encroachments to the establishment clause if more people were aware of the founders' quotes regarding Christianity, religion in general, and the establishment clause. President Obama was almost direcdtly quoting John Adams when he made the statement that the U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation. Most Americans are unfortunately unaware of this.  Two books that do a great job in showing this are The Godless Constitution, and The Moral Minority. 
 

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Subject: Re: [atheists-55] Event for GBAC Meetup. "Both are the best approach"
From: [address removed]
Date: Fri, 18 Jun[masked]:26:03 -0400

So you want to tell a god believer that a gods don't exist. What a waste of time. Of course, if you want to convince them of anything else, such as; the separation of church and state, you should remember that the same leap of faith that allowed them to be brainwashed about the special friend in the sky is the same leap of faith that will not allow you to convince them of anything that threatens their fantasy. People have beliefs for a reason. You can't use reasoning to remove a person's belief. Over time, your only chance is to present reality to them when reality presents itself in a indisputable way and even then some of the fanatics will still refuse to see what is right in front of them.
If you want to drive the believers further away....continue to try to reason with them.




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From: Janan Broadbent <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Fri, Jun 18,[masked]:53 pm
Subject: Re: [atheists-55] Event for GBAC Meetup. "Both are the best approach"

I agree with Claire that challenging believers head-on is counterproductive.  Witness "Religilous" though:  Bill Maher is terrific in the way he confronts e.g. the truckers, appealing to logic.  You may not  change their minds wholesale, but you can make someone think -- if presented in a nonattacking way.

 

Janan Broadbent, Ph. D.
2 Hamill Road, Suite 120
Baltimore MD 21210
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