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Re: [atheists-55] Fwd: [EastsideAtheists] British commedian comments on idea of mosque at Ground Zero

From: Hos
Sent on: Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:05 PM
"Truther" is about the biggest irony I've ever heard.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Doug <[address removed]> wrote:
Also, as long as I'm ranting we are NOT "the most heavily protected nation in the world".? Unless you are talking about?our military which we do spend a ridiculous amount of money on. If you are talking about protected against terrorism though you are kidding yourself.??Hundreds of thousands of people literally walk across the mexican border every year along with tons of narcotics and god knows what else.? I literally accidentally crossed into canada from montana one time without even noticing it. Just driving in my car not sneaking through a tunnel or something.? We also live in a still?relatively free country where you can easily purchase firearms and make you own explosives using google and home depot.
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I want to note that I'm not complaining about any of this, I like it this way. I don't mind 3000?people exploding every once in a while, that's just the price of freedom. Fun fact: more people die in accidental drownings every single year than died on 9/11.? Ten times as many die in car accidents yearly.??So for all those trying to?throw our rights down the tiolet over terrorism?build a bunker and crawl inside.??You can have a?nice safe and boring life within,?let the rest of us have our freedom.
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-Doug
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Doug <[address removed]> wrote:
Oh shit... we got a 9/11?truther.
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First of all you can get plastic box cutters. You can get ceramic knifes (and plastic ones to).? You can make things that cut people without using materials other than metal.
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Yes a third building collapsed after the two 110 story buildings?right across a 2 lane street which shared the same foundation and were connected to it on several underground levels and?by a pedestrian?bridge?above the street?collapsed from being hit by fucking planes.? That's a lot more believeable than any other wacky theory to explain it's collapse. Also, there is no motive to collapse a third building, two wouldn't have been enough? No one even gives a fuck about WTC 7. We could have invaded afghanistan iraq whoever the hell we wanted even if wtc7 was left standing.
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Everything else you were talking about might have sounded like a somewhat reasoned stance except for that crazy ass shit. Which just reveals you for the fool that you are.
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Also, I'll tell you why "extremists" oppose the US and carried out that attack.? One our troops and contractors which were stationed in kuwait and saudi(the "holy" land).??Two, Israel, Israel, Israel, THE?THEOCRATIC APARTIED STATE OF ISRAEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is the terrorist threat blown out of proportion to keep the defense industry going and justify wars which were really about grabbing resources? YES.? However,19 crazy muslim arab mother fuckers did get on planes and fly into those buildings. That is a fact. Period!!
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-Doug
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Stu C. <[address removed]> wrote:
Don't spread this idiocy. Granted, religion is silly and merely a comfort for those unable to see or believe greater truths but Islam is merely the "threat du jour". Who's giving them the permission to build a mosque there? Are muslims in control of NY government? Grow up. And the U.S. is a solid ally with Saudi Arabia. The 9/11 terrorists (7 of whom are still alive) were all from Saudi Arabia, and yet we're entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan. See beyond the media garbage.

Fight religion, please, but let's pick our battles and not spread hate and intolerance when it isn't needed. Let them build a mosque, for crying out loud. Have any of you met a muslim?

Disagree? Look up "blowback" for a reason why muslim extremists (outside of the fake "al-qaeda" CIA creation) would want to hurt Americans. Key terms in your search should include: Predator drone bombings, Iraqi/Afghan civilian casualties, Israeli military suppliers, the Carlisle group, U.S. connections to the Bin Laden group, for starters. Osama bin Laden and his family would not be where they are (billionaires) were it not for big business, primarily U.S. business and to think he'd defect after the U.S. "helped" free Afghanistan from the Soviets is silly. The man was visited by CIA in Dubai in June of 2001 during a hospital visit.

Keep fighting religious nuts like the Texas School Board but hold off on attacking the current "other" until you realize (a) why extremists would oppose the U.S. in the first place and (b) the U.S. is the most heavily protected nation in the world and (1) boxcutters are definitely made of metal (metal detectors) (2) a third building in the WTC complex collapsed on 9/11 without sustaining major fire damage and certainly without being hit by a plane, just two reasons why we're being lied to. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia after 9/11? That's where the terrorists were from! Saudi Arabia was already an ally and we already have our hands on their oil. The U.S. wanted Iraqi oil, Afghan lithium and a way to surround Iran.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html

Please research this a little bit before launching into any tirades.

I would have done the same before I stumbled upon this other information.





On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Norm <[address removed]> wrote:




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From: Candice <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sun, Jul 18,[masked]:20 pm
Subject: [EastsideAtheists] British commedian comments on idea of mosque at Ground Zero

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

Plain speaking -- from across the pond.

Candice


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