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Re: [atheists-55] Atheists are hypocritical in blaming atrocities on Christianity

From: Kevin G.
Sent on: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:02 PM
We've seen this argument a thousand times.  It was bullshit the first time they posited it, it is bullshit now, and will always be bullshit.

Skydivers don't knock on death's door; they ring the bell and run away... It really pisses him off.

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From: Jeff Wismer <[address removed]>
> http://www.renewa...­
> *Atheists are hypocritical in blaming atrocities on Christianity
> * *
> *Robert Meyer
> *Robert Meyer* <http://www.renewa...;­
> June 9, 2008
> Editorial letters and columns often cite religion, particularly
> Christianity, for much of the world's past and present brutality and
> atrocity. Such was repeated in a recent diatribe printed in my local city
> newspaper.
> I have no trouble in apologizing for atrocities involving my religious
> tradition, though I wasn't personally responsible, except for the guilt by
> association in claiming to be personally a Christian. Presumably, if I
> called myself an atheist, I wouldn't have been held ideologically culpable
> by this detractor.
> However, critics must be honest and objective in their condemnations of
> atrocities whether caused by religion or secular movements, lest we believe
> their intentions are really gratuitous attacks against religion, not
> condemnation against atrocities altogether.
> Therefore, to atheists and humanists who want to make this charge, you
> should be equally considerate, apologizing for the proportionally larger
> atrocities committed by cultural leaders, espousing godless, non-theistic
> Utopian ideologies, within the "enlightened" 20th century alone. Because
> whatever principle makes me guilty of the former, makes you equally guilty
> of the latter.
> The point is not that any such examples of secular violence would excuse or
> diminish religious atrocities, but rather, that the critic who uses examples
> of religious atrocities without making reference to crimes motivated by
> secular ideologies, is obviously biased and short-sighted in his approach.
> Critics will say that demagogues, such as Stalin, Poll-Pot, and Mao (who are
> among the greatest mass murderers of all time), didn't really act on the
> basis of their atheism, but because of fanatical political and economic
> objectives.
> Yet their policies were informed by a view of man consistent with
> metaphysical atheistic/evolutiona­ry dogmas. Lenin retorted that, you have to
> crack a few eggs to get an omelet, and Stalin obliged him as the short-order
> cook, carrying out his purges that viewed the masses of humanity as
> expendable instruments to achieve a cause.
> We must also be careful to observe that when people commit atrocities in the
> "name of Christ," or under some similar ecclesiastical declaration of
> authority, these acts are clearly abuses, for they do not represent the
> values of Christ himself. We never see acts of violence carried out by
> Christians in the first century. These violent activities largely result
> from improper convolutions of the jurisdictions in church/state spheres of
> sovereignty. These errors can be corrected though a proper application of
> the Christian world view.
> On the other hand, secular violence can be directly related to the faithful
> application of materialist/evolutio­nist metaphysical narratives carried out
> to their logical end. Fortunately, most secularists are inconsistent, in
> that they do not live or reason in a way that comports with their stated
> ultimate view of reality. The correct application of such world views would
> themselves lead to the violent ends that secularists claim to loath while
> pointing their collective fingers derisively at religion.
> One must honestly ask the question, which claim about reality is likely to
> produce a more harmonious world, if carried out faithfully to its logical
> end? The assertion "God created man in his own image," representing the
> Judeo-Christian tradition, or the manifesto by atheist/evolutionist­ Richard
> Dawkins, representing the ideological epitome of the atheist movement, "the
> universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there
> is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but
> pointless indifference."
> We must point out that if Dawkins' assessment of an atheist universe is
> correct, it leaves critics, such as the one remonstrating in my newspaper,
> with nothing left to complain about.
> --------------------­----------
> Robert Meyer is a hardy soul who hails from the Cheesehead country of the
> upper midwest. Robert is known by his opponents as a "clever rhetorician"
> who often exposes the fallacies of knee-jerk arguments presented in local
> papers. Seeking to develop precepts for every aspect of life �� based on a
> conservative Christian worldview �� Robert often gleans inspiration from
> looking off his back deck, over the scenic Fox river and recalling the wise
> counsel of those who mentored him. To bark about this editorial, contact
> Robert at Junkyarddog58@&l­tNOSPAM&­m <[address removed]>.
> (c) Copyright 2008 by Robert Meyer
> http://www.renewa...­

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