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Meetup details changed: December Baltimore Metro Photographers Meetup-same group-New name - We still are the Baltimore Photography Meetup Group-We have renovated our name to correspond with the miltiple areas our members come from. I've updated this Meetup and corrected the date( thanks Tony & Art). For more details, see the full listing: Antoneo Braxton Nov 26, 2009 10:42 PM
Re: [photo-33] Organizer of the Meetup Stepped Down - Preview not available Charlene Clark Nov 26, 2009 8:36 PM
Re: [photo-33] PhotographyOrganizer and Meetup group - Did the time and day change?   Art On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Ron B < [address removed] > wrote: Art Silverglate Nov 26, 2009 7:55 PM
New Meetup: December Baltimore Metro Photographers Meetup - Announcing a new Meetup for The Baltimore Photography Meetup Group! What: December Baltimore Metro Photographers Meetup When: December 10, 2009 7:00 PM Price: $2.00 per person Where: Java Grande Coffee Cafe Antoneo Braxton Nov 26, 2009 10:45 AM
PhotographyOrganizer and Meetup group - This is Antoneo, The meetup organizer.I did not step down> I was unable to renew our meetup in time and Terry did. I am trying to clear this matter up as soon as possible. Our meetup for December is still scheduled as planned > please give us a moment Ron B Nov 26, 2009 10:33 AM
Re: [photo-33] Organizer of the Meetup Stepped Down - yes it was by accident, but I do appreciate you stepping in to save the group> thank you again-lets talk On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Terry wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My name is Terry and I just recently joined the Photog Ron B Nov 26, 2009 10:28 AM
Organizer of the Meetup Stepped Down - Hi everyone, My name is Terry and I just recently joined the Photography Meetup Group. I'm a newcomer when it comes to photography and just joined a Intro to Photography class. I am also the organizer of the Baltimore Chinese Culture and Lang Terry Nov 26, 2009 8:21 AM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography December Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/11855563/ When: December 9, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Nov 21, 2009 10:49 AM
Staff titles and meetup membership - Just a note to all staff title holders> I will be re-evaluating and restructuring positions for the new year>anyone interested in applying for position, please email me directly (do not reply to this email or send it to photo 33> I will be reorg Antoneo Braxton Nov 1, 2009 7:22 PM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography November Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/11630027/ When: November 11, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Oct 28, 2009 7:05 PM
Assignment for November, this month an unusal assignmment. - In the October meeting I showed a number of different websites, where you could for free experiment with different ways to make your photograph change. I have listed the sites below.  Take one or more photographs to theses websites and experiment wit Art Silverglate Oct 20, 2009 1:22 PM
Fashion in the DMV - PeterP Photography Oct 15, 2009 12:11 AM
Meetup on Wednesday - Hope to see you at the meetup Help us show our gratitude to JavaGrande for allowing us to hold our Meet Up there by purchasing a beverage or sandwich. Come early and have dinner. Meetup starts at 8:00 PM JavaGrande 9050 Baltimore National Pi Art Silverglate Oct 13, 2009 7:49 AM
Reminder about assignment for October 14 Photo Meetup Deadline is Sunday Oct 11 - The assignment(s) for October are, Deserted, Self Portrait and or Simplicity, You can do all or one please when you send them to me in the subject line please indicate what assignment they are for.  Send to Art Silverglate Oct 7, 2009 7:42 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit pictures - Preview not available Leslie Sandler Oct 1, 2009 7:17 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit pictures - Preview not available Randy Gresham Oct 1, 2009 11:07 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit pictures - hey randy, it wont be thrown out-just let me know what your image is and i will retain it until you are available-thanks ----- Original M Antoneo Braxton Oct 1, 2009 10:54 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit pictures - Since I will be attending David zisers seminar the night of the meeting I won't be able to pick up my image and frame. I would rather it not be thrown out if possible. Let me know Thanks, Randy Gresham Sent from my iPhone On Oct 1, 2009, a Randy Gresham Oct 1, 2009 8:32 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit pictures - Attention to all photographers who submitted images for the Barnes & Noble exhibit!! If you are not able to make it to Octobers' meeting, please notify me if someone else will be picking up your image or if you need me to keep it until arrangements ar Ron B Oct 1, 2009 12:05 AM
Exhibit pictures - The exhibit at Barnes and Noble is over please come and pick up your pictures at the Oct 14 meeting either come your self or send someone.  I have no place to store the pictures.  Those not picked up at th Art Silverglate Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography October Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/11333595/ When: October 14, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM
Reminder to all about the October Assignment - The assignment(s) for October are, Deserted, Self Portrait and or Simplicity, You can do all or one please when you send them to me in the subject line please indicate what assignment they are for.  Send to Art Silverglate Sep 17, 2009 9:28 AM
October Assignment and Exhibit - 1. the Exhibit at the Barnes and Noble in the long gate shopping center is hung. It is the back near the restrooms   2. The assignment(s) for October are, deserted, Self Portrait and or Simplicity, You can do all or one please Art Silverglate Sep 10, 2009 6:33 PM
Reminder the Meetup assignment was FOOD - Just a reminder about the assignment for the Sept 9th meetup the assignment was food, Send the photo(s) to [address removed] Art Silverglate Moderator Art Silverglate Sep 1, 2009 8:30 AM
Re: [photo-33] Reminder about assignments "FOOD" - The only thing I can tell you is athe assignmnet is food, photograph some about food.   Art On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM, jennifer carman < Art Silverglate Aug 26, 2009 5:56 PM
RE: [photo-33] Reminder about assignments "FOOD" - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } ...tell me more about this assignment, I've been out of touch...thnx Je jennifer carman Aug 26, 2009 5:48 PM
Reminder about assignments "FOOD" - Don't forget to send your assignment to [address removed] the assignment "food" Art Moderator Art Silverglate Aug 25, 2009 8:26 AM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography September Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/11099829/ When: September 9, 2009 7:45 PM Antoneo Braxton Aug 23, 2009 4:12 PM
Meetup Cancelled: Nature Hike/Photowalk in Hereford - Nature Hike/Photowalk in Hereford, scheduled to occur on August 29, 2009 10:00 AM has been cancelled. Please update your plans accordingly. If you have further questions, you can email me through the "Contact Organizer" link on Meetup Antoneo Braxton Aug 23, 2009 3:53 PM
Daniel B McNeill added you as a friend on MyLife - Preview not available Daniel B. McNeill Aug 21, 2009 4:19 PM
RE: [photo-33] Pictures for the B&N Exhibit - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Is that AM or PM From: art.silverglate@gm Fred Butler Aug 20, 2009 12:59 PM
Pictures for the B&N Exhibit - I will be at JavaGrande Saturday Aug 22 for 10:00 - 11:00 to collect pictures for the exhibit.     Art 410-206-8627     Art Silverglate Aug 19, 2009 6:35 PM
Vogue Fashion Workshop Info attached - Preview not available PeterP Photography Aug 17, 2009 7:25 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - Preview not available Pat Aug 17, 2009 4:08 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - I would like one of my photo in this exhibit. Who is the contact person so I can arrange to deliver my frame work and when do you need it. Thank you, Daniel --- Daniel B. McNeill Aug 16, 2009 8:09 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - Thanks! On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Art Silverglate < [address removed] > wrote: Ruth Smith Aug 15, 2009 4:12 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - yes you can Art On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Ruth Smith < [address removed] > wrote: Art Silverglate Aug 15, 2009 3:13 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - Hello Art, I am a new member but have not been able to attend any of the meetup socials.  Am I able to participate?  If yes, please count me in for one picture.   Thank you, Ruth Ruth Smith Aug 15, 2009 1:15 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - Heather They can be up to 11X14 There is no theme anything you want as log as no nudes Art On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Heather V. < heathe Art Silverglate Aug 15, 2009 12:35 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - Hi- What size can they be up to? I can frame something this week. Can it be anything, or is there a particular theme? Heather V. Aug 15, 2009 9:03 AM
Exhibit at Barnes and Noble in Ellicot City - To all member's I still have room for more pictures in the exhibit contact by email I will arrange to to at JavaGrande next Saturday to collect additional pictures for the exhibit. I have room for at least 10 more. They must b Art Silverglate Aug 15, 2009 8:17 AM
Re: [photo-33] This Sunday's Glamour Lighting Workshop - I am signed, paid and good to go. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Dave Blecman < [address removed] > wrote: Robbie McLean Aug 14, 2009 6:10 PM
Re: [photo-33] This Sunday's Glamour Lighting Workshop - Preview not available HERBERT Aug 14, 2009 3:26 PM
This Sunday's Glamour Lighting Workshop - Preview not available Dave Blecman Aug 14, 2009 3:10 PM
Re: [photo-33] Photo MeetUp Aug 12 - Dear Art Moderator, I'm Daniel B. McNeill and I a new member to the group. You mention that your photo should be framed to be exhibit at Barnes and Noble. Can you give me more information. Thank you, Daniel B. McNeill Daniel B. McNeill Aug 10, 2009 4:46 PM
George Skepton Photo Exhibition "Pics, Pixies, & Pixels" - George Skepton Aug 10, 2009 4:16 PM
Photo MeetUp Aug 12 - I am reminding all that I need your picture framed and ready for hanging at the August meeting, for our exhibit in September and Barnes and Noble in Ellicott City.  Also the assignment for August should be sent to Art Silverglate Aug 10, 2009 12:33 PM
Re: [photo-33] New Glamour Lighting Workshop - Mr. Bleckman, I would like to join your next meetup. Do you still have space available? Thank you, Israel Orange 443-415-3555 --- Israel Aug 9, 2009 8:28 AM
Re: [photo-33] Reminder for August meetup - Preview not available Samatra & Von Aug 6, 2009 10:52 PM
Re: [photo-33] Reminder for August meetup - Hi Art, I know this is nervy but I am trying to help out a young woman who needs head and body shots. I don't know anyone but thought you might. She has no money so that is the problem for her. Know anybody? Harper Fitzsimmons Aug 6, 2009 9:18 PM
Critique & advice - Hi ! I'm hoping that I could get a little assistance from the group! I started a personal learning project on the first of the month - I'm doing a 30 shots in 30 days effort. The idea is to improve my ability to conceive, execute and complete a Marc Aug 5, 2009 11:58 PM
Reminder for August meetup - I need to remind the group of three items for the Aug. 12 meeting.   1. Please collect your pictures from the show at the library, I will have to dispose of them as I need room to store the photos for the September show at Bar Art Silverglate Aug 3, 2009 5:11 PM
Re: [photo-33] Reminder - Art,   Will you be at the meeting this Wednesday? If so, will you bring the framed pics from June?   Thanks, Jenny On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at Jenny Jul 28, 2009 9:03 AM
Reminder - I am reminding all that I need your picture framed and ready for hanging at the August meeting, for our exhibit in September and Barnes and Noble in Ellicott City.  Also the assignment for August should be sent to 2n Art Silverglate Jul 26, 2009 11:15 PM
New Glamour Lighting Workshop - Preview not available Dave Blecman Jul 23, 2009 1:11 PM
New Meetup: Johns Hopkins Photowalk organized by Rob & Leroy - Announcing a new Meetup for The Baltimore Photography Meetup Group! What: Johns Hopkins Photowalk organized by Rob & Leroy When: August 1, 2009 10:00 AM Where: Johns Hopkins University 3400 N Charles St Antoneo Braxton Jul 16, 2009 11:31 PM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography August Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/10835047/ When: August 12, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Jul 16, 2009 11:16 PM
Re: [photo-33] Gental Reminder - They can be picked up at the nest meeting   Art On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Tracy Stevens < [address removed] > w Art Silverglate Jul 16, 2009 8:02 PM
Re: [photo-33] Gental Reminder - Good Afternoon, Could I meet you somewhere or just pick them up at the next meeting? Tracy user 9506002 Jul 16, 2009 6:29 PM
Gental Reminder -   I need all those who exhibited in June at the Library to pick up there photos I do not have room to store them. I need your framed photo's for the September exhibit at Barnes & Noble, no larger then 11x14 framed. The frame mus Art Silverglate Jul 16, 2009 6:20 PM
Exhibit Reminder - I need your framed photo's for the September exhibit at Barnes & Noble, no larger then 11x14 framed. The frame must have a wire for hanging or a lip to sit on the hanger. I must have them by the August 12 meeting. Art Art Silverglate Jul 12, 2009 10:21 PM
Re: [photo-33] New Meetup: Photography 101 - i can't get the email thingy on his site to work. Will this be taped on audio or video? Can i bum a ride? I hate to miss any session but i hav anna c. canaday Jul 12, 2009 10:40 AM
New Meetup: Photography 101 - Announcing a new Meetup for The Baltimore Photography Meetup Group! What: Photography 101 When: July 30, 2009 6:15 PM Price: $2.00 per person Where: JavaGrande Baltimore National Pike Rte 40 Ellic Antoneo Braxton Jul 11, 2009 9:23 PM
Re: [photo-33] Gettysburg July 11 Meetup Info. - Preview not available Rob Jul 10, 2009 3:19 PM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit Reminder - Thanks. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Art Silverglate wrote: > 11=14 is in the frame I cannot > hang anything larger. > > Art Ed Davis Jul 7, 2009 10:42 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit Reminder - 11=14 is in the frame I cannot hang anything larger. Art On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Ed Davis < [address removed] > wrote: Art Silverglate Jul 7, 2009 9:47 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit Reminder - Thanks, Art. Is the 11x14 size limitation for the print or the frame? (An 11x14 print could be 14x17 or larger when framed.) --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Art Silverglate wrote: > From: Art Silverglate Ed Davis Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit Reminder - The exhibit is open to all members though, there is a limit of 26 Prints, due the the way to display them, they must be in a frame, the frame must have a wire to hang from, size is up to 11x14. Art On Tue, Jul 7, Art Silverglate Jul 7, 2009 8:09 AM
Re: [photo-33] Exhibit Reminder - Art - for the benefit of the new members such as myself, could you point us to the details of this exhibit? I looked on the message board but didn't see any discussion there on the pending exhibit. When is it? Where? How many prints can an individual su Ed Davis Jul 7, 2009 8:05 AM
Meetup details changed: Gettysburg pennsylvania Photowalk - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/10818295/ When: July 11, 2009 7:15 AM Antoneo Braxton Jul 6, 2009 9:58 PM
New Meetup: Gettysburg pennsylvania Photowalk - Announcing a new Meetup for The Baltimore Photography Meetup Group! What: Gettysburg pennsylvania Photowalk When: July 11, 2009 7:15 AM Where: pier v parking lot 711 E pratt st Baltimore, MD 21202 Antoneo Braxton Jul 6, 2009 9:57 PM
Re: [photo-33] Gettysburg July 11 Meetup Info. - what is the max members for the photowalk On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Rob wrote: > Hi All, > > We will meet in Baltimore at Pier V Parking in the Inner Harbor at 730 AM, > for those who would like to offer car pooling pooling Ron B Jul 6, 2009 9:42 PM
July 11th Gettysburg Walk - Preview not available Rob Jul 6, 2009 5:46 PM
Exhibit Reminder - If you are planning to exhibit in Barnes and Noble in September, they must be in by the August Meetup and must be framed with a wire for hanging. Art Art Silverglate Jul 6, 2009 5:22 PM
Wedesday Meetup - Help us show our gratitude to JavaGrande for allowing us to hold our Meet Up there by purchasing a beverage or sandwich. Come early and have dinner. JavaGrande 9050 Baltimore National Pike Ellicott City, MD 21042 (410) 480-3865 Th Art Silverglate Jul 5, 2009 9:30 PM
Gettysburg July 11 Meetup Info. - Preview not available Rob Jun 30, 2009 8:23 PM
RE: [photo-33] Need Photos for Critique - Preview not available jennifer carman Jun 30, 2009 8:08 AM
RE: [photo-33] Need Photos for Critique - Uh.. the group had walks in mt Vernon and then dc this past Saturday... not the kelby walks... -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Ed Davis Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:51 PM To: photo-33@ Randy Gresham Jun 29, 2009 7:59 PM
Re: [photo-33] Need Photos for Critique - Art - Unless you have access to a time warp that I am unaware of, the Mt. Vernon and DC Walks will not have happened yet (July 18th) when the July 8th Meetup occurs. ;-) Unless your camera is like the one in the Twilight Zone episode from the 1960's, th Ed Davis Jun 29, 2009 7:51 PM
Need Photos for Critique - This a notice about the July 8th Meetup.  I need photos for the critique, please consider using the photos from the two portrait sessions or from the Mt. Vernon or the DC walk.  Send them to Art Silverglate Jun 29, 2009 6:39 PM
Signed up for DC Night Shoot - Leory will be leading the night shoot his cell is 717-424-2333. He will be at the Green Belt Metro Station Approx. 5:00 PM   Mine is 410-206-8627   Art Moderator   Art Silverglate Jun 26, 2009 6:53 PM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography July Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/10625697/ When: July 8, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Jun 24, 2009 8:41 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - July 18 Saturday at 10:00 AM   Art On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Brian E. Payne < [address removed] > Art Silverglate Jun 19, 2009 3:46 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:41:28 -0400, "Brian E. Payne" asked: > What day for the walk? I've clicked on the link provided, and it indicates a date of 18 July 2009. This coincides with Artscape, which runs from the 17th to the 19th. -- Michael Michael Jun 19, 2009 1:46 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - Hello Art, What day for the walk? Brian Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Silverglate To: [address removed] Sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:00:54 -0400 Subject: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore Brian E. Payne Jun 19, 2009 1:41 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - Hello Art, What day for the walk? Brian Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Silverglate To: [address removed] Sent: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:00:54 -0400 Subject: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Bal Brian E. Payne Jun 19, 2009 1:15 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - Ed I will wait to that day to see what the people want we may start out in MT. Vernon and end up at ArtScape.   Art On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ed Davis Art Silverglate Jun 19, 2009 12:51 PM
Re: [photo-33] Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - Art - I have signed up. But I would suggest we concentrate on the Artscape itself - lots of people pics there instead of static (tho lovely) homes sounds more in keeping with the spirit of the walk, IMHO. Ed --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Art Silverglate Ed Davis Jun 19, 2009 11:39 AM
Scott Kelby PhotoWalk Baltimore - There is another photowalk for scott kelby that was approved got to http://worldwidephotowalk.com/listing-of-all-photo-walks/ to sign up Art Art Silverglate Jun 19, 2009 9:00 AM
New Meetup: DC Monuments Nite Hike - Announcing a new Meetup for The Baltimore Photography Meetup Group! What: DC Monuments Nite Hike When: June 27, 2009 8:00 PM Where: (A location has not been chosen yet.) This will be a non flash session usi Antoneo Braxton Jun 16, 2009 11:43 AM
June Photo Meetup - Help us show our gratitude to JavaGrande for allowing us to hold our Meet Up there by purchasing a beverage or sandwich.  Come early and have dinner. JavaGrande 9050 Baltimore National Pike Ellicott Ci Art Silverglate Jun 7, 2009 8:50 PM
Re: [photo-33] Wedding Photographer Needed ASAP - TODAY - Preview not available Robbie McLean Jun 5, 2009 7:53 AM
Re: [photo-33] Wedding Photographer Needed ASAP - TODAY - Preview not available Barry Jun 5, 2009 7:47 AM
Wedding Photographer Needed ASAP - TODAY - Preview not available AHLH Jun 5, 2009 5:08 AM
Meetup details changed: The Baltimore Photography June Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/BaltimorePhotographers/calendar/10407253/ When: June 10, 2009 8:00 PM Antoneo Braxton Jun 3, 2009 10:15 AM
Exhibit at the East Columbia Branch - The Meet Up Photo Exhibit is now up at the East Columbia Branch 6600 Cradlerock Way Columbia, MD 21045 (410) 313-7700 Mon. - Thurs.      9 am - 9 pm Fri. - Sat.     9 am - 6 pm Sun.     1 pm - 5 pm It will be on Dis Art Silverglate Jun 3, 2009 8:19 AM
Re: [photo-33] Looking for one more photographer to photograph at non-profit event - add to or create your portfolio! - Marc, what time and how long is the event   Tarik On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Marc < [address removed] > wr TARIK | PRO PHOTOGRAPHER Jun 2, 2009 7:13 AM
Looking for one more photographer to photograph at non-profit event - add to or create your portfolio! - Preview not available Marc Jun 2, 2009 7:06 AM
Re: [photo-33] Need more photographs - Jason: The purpose of any group, is to bring people together. If you don't want to be part of the conversation, maybe don't be part of the group.   I'm sorry if this post is again the rules, or anything Jim Tretick May 31, 2009 11:23 PM
RE: [photo-33] Need more photographs - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } OK - we are doing that reply all thing again!!!! Please keep this co Jason Shaf May 31, 2009 10:29 PM