Re: [htm-1] The Future of the Bay Area HTM Meetup Group

From: user 8175930
Sent on: Thursday, April 2, 2009 4:54 PM
Hello Greg,

Do not get me wrong, if there is no drinks I am fine with that too! 
Again I am not too hot about paying for a space if only few people shows
up.  I would rather do it in a restaurant where people can get
food/drinks and not starve because they just run from a day job and now
have to seat around for maybe 2 hours+ until they can get home and eat
something.  I think a restaurant would probably happy to have every
month if we buy a drink and a plate.  I am not too worry to spend $15-20
a month for a diner out if the conversation is great!  Of course the
trick is to found a place that is not too popular and have the meetings
on down nights.

I agree, let's see what other people think about all this and we then
can decide what to do next.

Thanks Greg.  I hope to see you again at the meeting.

Mohamed (Mo)

ps:  The techshop seems to be more for people who are going to make
stuff but why not.  By the way ,does it have to be in Menlo Park?  If
many people are from there then it is fine with me.  If not, maybe
something closer to San Jose. Again, not a deal breaker for me.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Slater <[address removed]>
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [htm-1] The Future of the Bay Area HTM Meetup Group

> 
> 
> 
> Hi Muhamed,
> 
> Thanks for the reply and I know you from the meetups.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback on your preferences.  Appreciate the 
> detailed response.
> 
> Well, that's one vote for sticking with a bar (or at least a place 
> where beer is allowed).
> 
> I was thinking of a meeting format in which, as you described, 
> there might be an initial general meeting/discussion, followed by 
> people breaking up into groups of particular interest - 
> brainstorming, problem solving, whetever, and leaving whenever 
> they felt like it.
> 
> I was also thinking of approaching Numenta for a pittance to fund 
> our modest meetings.  It's worth a try.
> 
> I am not sure who will end up administering the group.  As I 
> mentioned, both David Weir and Mike Lee have volunteered.  
> Personally, the more autonomous we can make the minimal 
> administration of the meetings the better for us.  And I think 
> that the agenda should emerge from the group as a whole rather 
> than being the vision of one individual (unless there's only one 
> guy or gal with any real enthusiasm). Maybe we can implement an 
> HTM to manage the group ;)
> 
> Anyway, let's see how many more pipe in.  My sense is that 
> although there are 113 members (oops 112! this last flurry of 
> mails apparently drove someone out!) there are only a few 
> interested in actually showing up.
> 
> What do you think of the TechShop?  (not sure if they allow beer 
> on the premises)
> 
> http://www.techsh...­
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Mohamed Bennouf <[address removed]> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mohamed Bennouf <[address removed]>
> > Subject: Re: [htm-1] The Future of the Bay Area HTM Meetup Group
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 3:33 PM
> > Hello to all.
> > 
> > Thank you so much Greg for stepping in.  I was very
> > disapointed by
> > Numenta decision to no longer have these Meetup meetings. 
> > At the same
> > time I also understood that they are after all a very small
> > company
> > where everyone there is probably providing 110% effort to
> > work on future
> > versions, support their paying customers and clean up
> > bugs..
> > 
> >   I just hope that Numenta would provide time to time
> > someone to the new
> > Bay Area  "Homebrew HTM Club" so to learn more
> > about what they are
> > doing. It will also be great if Numenta could add a section
> > in the forum
> > about the "Bay Are Homebrew HTM Club"  I know we
> > can just send emails
> > back and forth with Meetup but i would rather have a place
> > to gather all
> > these information without having to look thru all my email
> > messages. 
> > Maybe I am messing something and that Meetup allows forum
> > type system
> > for their members.
> > 
> > In term of location, yes the local is very noisy and
> > probably not the
> > best avenue (but the ambiance is fun) A board will be good.
> > For the last
> > few meetings I attended, a board would not have been
> > critical but if we
> > decide to collectively work on a project or two then it
> > will become a
> > good thing to have.  The main criteria for me is parking. 
> > The BBC is a
> > great location because of the parking close by.  Please
> > note that I am
> > driving from Santa Cruz so the location itself is really
> > not ideal. 
> > Being in between 101 and 280 is not so great.  But whatever
> > works for
> > most people would work for me.  In term of ambiance,  I do
> > not mind
> > being able to get a beer or a glass of wine (especially
> > after a long day
> > at work!) so a school will not be so good!  In term of
> > paying for the
> > location, I am not too hot in the idea.  If we sure x
> > number of memmbers
> > were showing up every month that's once thing but given
> > the fact that
> > the number of people in each meeting is random..   
> > 
> > The main issue is that not many people who attends these
> > type of
> > meetings have ever touch/experimented with Nupic/Vitamin D.
> >  That's
> > perfectly alright.  People have different level of
> > understanding of HTM
> > (and that's one of the goal of these meetings...learn
> > more about HTM)
> > 
> > because of that, it is hard to do any type of focused
> > meetings.  I think
> > it maybe too boring for people who never experimented with
> > Nupic to do a
> > very focus meeting where talk about nodes, sensors and data
> > sets. Of
> > course we could do two type meetings.  One general stuff
> > (people come in
> > to learn about HTM, general discussion of people toy
> > problems.  An then
> > we could have more focus HTM meetings where people can
> > group themselves
> > into solving a single toy (real) problem.  Remember that
> > those computer
> > groups back then did not just seat around and talk about
> > the future of
> > computer, they actually wrote codes, build hardware and so
> > on.
> > 
> > Finally, it terms of finances of the group, I see no
> > problem pitching in
> > few dollars a month to keep the HTM Meetup alive.  I think
> > it is worth
> > it.  The Numenta forum is a great place to share/ask
> > questions and so on
> > but there is also a need for direct interaction.  We could
> > simply give
> > you x dollars at each meeting.  For people who are serious
> > about this
> > group but cannot attend sometimes, we could set up a PayPal
> > account just
> > for that.  The only question is how many of the 113 members
> > would be
> > willing to pay a monthly fee if they only attend couple
> > times a years? 
> > Another solution is to see if Numenta would be willing to
> > continue
> > paying for this Meetup!  After all for $240 year, they
> > could get
> > feedback from all of us, maybe even one or two paying
> > customers!  Not
> > bad for $240 investment..
> > 
> > Sorry for the lengthy response.
> > 
> > Mo.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lea Mael <[address removed]>
> > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009 12:01 pm
> > Subject: Re: [htm-1] The Future of the Bay Area HTM Meetup
> > Group
> > 
> > > Absolutemoh, right on Greg, I haven't shown up due
> > to the bard scene.?
> > > At least a quieter cafe, preferably a room with a nice
> > white board or
> > > such. Preferably near the train or late enough to get
> > there easily 
> > > by car and in a place easy to park.
> > > 
> > > L?a
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > P.S. Please reply here or via IM if brief , personal
> > or exigent.
> > > 
> > > --- On Thu, 2/4/09, Gregory Slater
> > <[address removed]> wrote:
> > > From: Gregory Slater <[address removed]>
> > > Subject: [htm-1] The Future of the Bay Area HTM Meetup
> > Group
> > > To: [address removed]
> > > Date: Thursday, 2 April, 2009, 1:41 AM
> > > 
> > > Hello All Members of the Bay Area HTM Group,
> > > 
> > > My name is Greg Slater.  I am currently the
> > 'interim manager' of 
> > > the HTM group simply because last Sunday night, rather
> > than let 
> > > the group die, I paid the $19 necessary to keep it
> > going for the 
> > > month.  I am sending this mail to everyone to let you
> > know the 
> > > status of things and ask for feedback and suggestions
> > as to where 
> > > we all want to go from here.  I have no particular
> > interest in 
> > > running the group.  In the last three days I have
> > received mails 
> > > from David Weir and Mike Lee indicating their
> > willingness to take 
> > > over the management.  I am happy to have someone else
> > take over.  
> > > However, having forked over the $19 to keep it from
> > dying, I'd 
> > > like to at least send this message to all members
> > making my 
> > > suggestions and asking for everyone else's
> > preferences, about 
> > > what, if anything, becomes of this group.  I think
> > it's always a 
> > > good idea to get feedback from the group.  There are
> > currently 113 
> > > members of the group, although in looking at the list
> > the majority
> > > haven't checked in for months, so are very casual
> > members at best 
> > > (nuthin' wrong with that).
> > > 
> > > There are really only two points that I wanted to
> > make, and then 
> > > ask you for your ideas and suggestions in return:
> > > 
> > > First and formost, I think the British Bankers Club is
> > a terrible 
> > > place to meet for several reasons:
> > > 
> > > 1. It's so noisy everybody is always saying
> > 'What?... What??...', 
> > > and you can't possibly hear what someone at the
> > other end of the 
> > > table is saying.
> > > 2. You only have room for a handful of the 113
> > members.
> > > 3. I come to talk about HTMs not order high priced
> > drinks.
> > > 4. (Very important!) - Anywhere we meet should have
> > frickin' 
> > > blackboards!  This is just obvious.  This is
> > non-negotiable.
> > > 
> > > Think about it - Donna Dubinsky made the analogy at
> > last year's 
> > > workshop between the current devotees of HTMs to the
> > Homebrew 
> > > Computer Club of yesteryear, and I think it's a
> > great and 
> > > honorable comparison.  Did the HCC meet in the BBC and
> > buy drinks? 
> > > No!  They met in the SLAC auditorium, where there was
> > ample 
> > > seating for everyone, good acoustics, and blackboards
> > to write and 
> > > brainstorm on.  Therefore, we need to get a place with
> > 1. 
> > > acoustics, 2. enough seats, 3. black (or white)
> > boards.  It might 
> > > take some research but there's gotta be some
> > classroom or other 
> > > available in the area (with the money we save on
> > drinks we can 
> > > probably rent a place).  The BBC is a pickup and
> > sports bar, not 
> > > an HTM bar.  No we need a classroom somewhere, and I
> > wanna put 
> > > this to the members of the (henceforth) Homebrew HTM
> > Club.  I am 
> > > open to other venues that come close to satisfying
> > these requirements.
> > > 
> > > This is what I'd like to poll the members on,
> > rather than assuming 
> > > that endless meetings at the BBC are what everyone
> > wants.
> > > 
> > > If you agree that a better venue is needed to meet the
> > 
> > > requirements for a group like this, then we need to
> > look for a 
> > > place - preferably one we can use for free - perhaps a
> > meeting 
> > > room at one our work places, an elementary school
> > classroom, a 
> > > community center, etc.  So please send suggestions and
> > 
> > > possibilities for a better meeting place.  On the
> > other hand, if 
> > > you actually dig having our meetings in the British
> > Bankers Club, 
> > > I'd like to hear that, too.
> > > 
> > > Second, I'd like to hear back from people as to
> > what they want out 
> > > of this group, and how they would like to run the
> > meetings.  I see 
> > > the meetings as means for:
> > > 
> > > 1. Getting to know the people in the HTM community
> > (that's us)
> > > 2. Getting ideas about how HTMs are being used by all
> > of us
> > > 3. Setting up collaborations between members
> > > 4. Discussing particulars of HTM implementation, and
> > algorithms, 
> > > problem solving, and tutoring each other
> > > 5. Brainstorming about new ideas
> > > 6. I dunno - starting new companies
> > > 7. Socializing
> > > 
> > > Please reply with your ideas as to what you most would
> > like to get 
> > > out of our group and our meetings.
> > > 
> > > As for the ultimate manager of the group, I am happy
> > to hand it 
> > > off to anyone (e.g., David or Mike, or anyone else)
> > who is 
> > > enthusiastic, motivated, creative, and full of ideas.
> > > 
> > > As for the next meeting, I'll probably schedule it
> > for April 20 
> > > unless there is a groundswell in favor of another
> > particular date. 
> > > If we can't line up another meeting place before
> > then we may have 
> > > to meet at the BBC one last time (or if,
> > incomprehensibly to me, 
> > > most people actually like meeting at the BBC).
> > > 
> > > In any case, please let's hear everyone's
> > thoughts on the future 
> > > of, what I'd like to call, the 'Homebrew HTM
> > Club'
> > > 
> > > Whaddya say?  Let me know what you think.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > - Greg Slater, interim manager of the HTM Group
> > > 
> > > p.s. - Note that all replies will go to the entire
> > group
> > > 
> > > 
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