March 29, 2010 8:00 PM - 10 attended

The Is-Ought Problem

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Selected By: Deborah Binder

The is-ought problem refers to whether claims about what ought to be can be made on the basis of statements about what is. Another way to put this is whether “ought-statements”, which express moral values about what is good in the world, can be derived from “is-statements”, which describe some aspect of the world. Resolution of the is-ought problem requires exploration of the relationship between ‘is’ and ‘ought’. Is there an insurmountable chasm between what exists – the world of facts, evidence, and scientific knowledge – and what ought to be – what values we should hold, what standards of right and wrong? Or might the ‘is’ influence (but not determine) the ‘ought’, say, by providing a better understanding of what humans are capable of – of what is possible.

Perhaps the ‘is’ shapes the “ought” regardless of our position on the is-ought problem. For instance, one may consider one’s moral values to be independent of “facts on the ground”, but upon closer examination it becomes clear that these values are steeped in assumptions about what ‘is’. Or one may explicitly believe that all questions of morality can be answered by sacred texts documenting the sayings of holy men. In this case, the “ought” is not the result of moral reflection but is wholly dependent on an “is”: because so-and-so said so.

It’s less common in modern secular society to rely on the “is” of sacred texts. Instead, people are more likely to draw ethical conclusions from what they consider to be natural facts. Appealing to nature to justify values, attitudes or behavior is often viewed by those on the opposite end of the is-ought divide as an example of the "naturalistic fallacy”. Some proponents of this “naturalist fallacy” claim that close attention to nature is all we need for moral guidance. Others propose that nature provides most of what we need to lead a moral life but allow that some highly abstract uber-values cannot be wholly derived from the natural world, such as the idea that the greatest happiness of the greatest number is the highest good.

So where do we stand on these issues? What is the relationship between the Is and the Ought? If we don’t derive our moral sense from observations of how the world works, how do we arrive at notions of right and wrong? Is there any connection between what we know about the natural world and how we ought to conduct ourselves as moral beings?

Is-Ought Problem Links:

http://en.wikipedia.o...
http://plato.stanford...
http://www.epjournal....
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http://faculty.platts...

Also: A Treatise of Human Nature by David Hume: Book 3, Part 1, Section I
http://oll.libertyfun...

  • Julie
    Julie

    Do the discussions usually start at 8 or somewhat later (after everyone has had a chance to order coffee, etc.)?

    Posted March 22, 2010 at 2:51 PM
  • Peter
    Peter

    Julie, we try to start the discussion as soon after 8:00 as most of those who have RSVP'd are sitting down. The Beanery closes at 10:00, so we don't have a lot of time.

    Posted March 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM
  • Peter
    Peter

    Since most present were first-timers, I should say that it is very unusual for so few people to have done the readings. Customarily we begin by having each person say what he/she thought of the announced readings, but this time, most people hadn't thought about them at all, because they hadn't read them. For those of us who had read them, it was frustrating, when we wanted to discuss an argument from one of the texts, that it was necessary to give our own understanding of the argument first...

    Posted March 30, 2010 at 9:45 PM
  • Peter
    Peter

    (continuing) But we know that if you and I read the same text, we might understand it differently; and I'd much rather hear what you think of a text from your direct contact with it, than hear what you think of a text that's been filtered through me. The difference is like that between discussing a movie with someone else who has seen it, vs. discussing it with someone who hasn't seen the movie but has to listen to us describe it first.

    Posted March 30, 2010 at 9:46 PM
  • A former member

    Thanks, Peter and Deborah. Being new to the group, I wasn't quite sure how the readings fed into the discussion. Now I know more and will comply as best I can for next time. I like Deborah's suggestion; it would make it more doable for me since I have a hard time being on the computer in general.

    Posted March 31, 2010 at 4:41 PM
  • Peter
    Peter

    Deborah C., there WAS a specific question to ponder, posted above (by Deborah B.): "whether claims about what ought to be can be made on the basis of statements about what is." There was also a concrete example in the readings: Searle's example of making a promise. The point of the group is to think about a philosophical question, then meet up & argue about it. It works best (but maybe not "a good tone"?) when people form diverse opinions & come prepared to try to persuade others they're wrong.

    Posted March 31, 2010 at 11:26 PM
  • Peter
    Peter

    Hey Is-Ought folks,
    Sam Harris will be speaking this Wednesday evening in Berkeley on his new book in which he thinks he has solved the Is-Ought problem:
    http://berkeleyarts.org/

    Posted November 7, 2010 at 11:32 PM
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