Bloomington Cohousing Message Board › Meeting Minutes: 2013/01/10
Met successfully with the planning commission today
Trying to figure out what will take to move people from "talking about the community" to "wanting to live in a community"?
For Holly, telling a bit of the history of the current incarnation of the group (meetings, getting the property, getting a site plan with the architect (Mark Cornell), using the site plan to get a PUD (Planned Urban Development). About a dozen people in the design workshops.
Suggests reading "Pocket Neighborhoods"
Nancy says: "We want it to be 'Charming'".
Marion says they've asked Mark to reorient the roofs for solar on the NE line of homes.
Describes the plan to Holly, Short Street, the right of ways, the conservation area to the East.
Planning commission used Dandelion Village troubles to "scare us"…
PUD has to get approved for # of units, fire safety, how many units, up to how many sq ft, common unit, etc., a lot like a condo or apt complex, as opposed to single family. We have to get the city to approve it. Have to make a case for what the city "gets out of it"…
Some things that were asked: Kitchen (commercial grade appliances?) Fire protection/fire engine access and ability to turn around. Can be grass if it supports trucks. Alternatively, fire sprinklers in the units. Green building, LEED, etc. are desirable. Storm water handling. Parking. Phased development. When do amenities go in compared to the housing? Traffic. What if they run Short Street through? Back ends of all those cars, for the neighbors. Typically there's a barrier like an arbor or fence or something. (Marion: we need to get all the supportive data about things like how much less choosing people drive than average.) "Density & usage" of the property issues. Marion said we'd have bylaws, but Marc asked if we could build some of our "bylaws" ideas into the PUD so that it would continue to exist on the land if the community fails.
Possible justifications: how are we different, what do we offer that is the difference compared to condos, apartments, etc. How is this a "new kind of housing opportunity?"
Larry and Janet say "Well, it would be the first newly built cohousing community in Indiana…"
Danise Alano Martin said in conversation with Marion and Veda that because we're becoming a tech savvy tech-attracty town and that tech people from the coasts may be attracted to town because of it.
Safety. Design. "A Design that creates community"
Schedule for how these things work: Planning commission meeting in April would require __________ by March 26.
Feb 26, pre-application deadline for the PUD statements. Setbacks, accessory structures, quantifiable goals (garden xxx sq ft, what % of property isn't covered by housing… Tuesday March 5
Meet with engineering, planning, HAND, fire, safety (police), utilities, storm water, design review committee, traffic. Is there a city planning sort of form online? Mark's proposal has a list of them….
OK, we're not going to make that, so May… then the process will run 3.5 to 6 months. the PUD application process… so maybe June, July
Plus we need to do marketing and outreach to neighbors.
Timing, length of meetings, what's the preparation for these? Janet says basically show them the drawings, see how the various departments feel about things, get input, get questions, get concerns… help them with questions about cohousing.
Do we have any good sources of this sort of info we can arm ourselves with?
Community.org? Research. Kevin? Larry going to meetings? Maybe me too? Maybe 2, to 3 meetings with city depts.
Meeting schedule -- should we tweak this for better participation? How can we get more?
The house is rented!
Maybe have fewer public meetings and more executive meetings?
Maybe "newcomers meetings" so new people don't feel intimidated. Maybe some orientation materials which can be shown and explored in home meetings, and then the same online?
Maybe Wednesday nights? Sunday afternoon potlucks?
Nancy and Kevin: We need a dance space at the common house. :)
Kevin: do a meetup poll for good meeting nights? Yes
Potluck Jan 20th, Sunday, Janet's house, 5pm?
Let's try to get all the separate mailing list people to join meetup
Use meet-up poll to self-assess "is cohousing for me?"
(The poll about meeting days is here: http://www.meetup.com... )