RE: [atheists-501] David's designs for the Atheist Billboard Idea?

From: Martin S.
Sent on: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:54 PM
David, I didn't want to offend you. I have probably watched too many "South Park" cartoons. And so
have many other people who might make the same associations.

I apologize for being tactless.

--- David <[address removed]> wrote:

> 
> i'm quite disturbed by the way you think.  you're giving far too much of yourself away my
> friend. no one i've shown those to has thought that...except you. 
>  
> pointing out the imperfections i perceive in other people's ideas was just excercised by me. 
> > From: [address removed]> Subject: RE: [atheists-501] David's designs for the Atheist
> Billboard Idea?> To: [address removed]> Date: Sun, 20 Jan[masked]:40:31 -0500> > Hi, I
> hate to do it, but I believe pointing out the imperfections I perceive in other people's> ideas
> will lead to a better end result. Even if I am wrong about certain things, I hope it still>
> raises awareness.> > Picture 1 (the pregnant woman): The position of the word "Atheism" would
> cause some people to> associate atheism with fecal matter.> > Picture 3 (Beach: adult with
> child) The slogan "Believe in something small? Discover something> much bigger" is almost
> certainly going to be associated with pedophilia.> > Cheers, Martin S.> > --- David
> <[address removed]> wrote:> > > > > Hey everyone, i put up some designs i did on the
> messageboards. I wanted to do something that> > was a bit positive and inspiring. confronting
> won't get us more people, coaching them with a> > positive message and meaning will. I hope you
> like them :) any ideas ?> > > > From: [address removed]> > To:
> [address removed]> > Subject: RE: [atheists-501] "Specifications" for the Atheist
> Billboard Idea?> > Date: Fri, 18 Jan[masked]:54:18 -0500> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Good morning,> > > > > > > > After trialling a lot> > of our ideas on my catholic-raised husband
> I really believe that the billboard> > should be purely about atheism,> > nothing to do with
> religion so that it grabs attention in a positive,> > non-threatening way (?See!!!!! I told
> you!!!!! Those militant Atheists!?)> > > > > > > > This is tricky! I?ve> > gone back through the
> suggestions and Gregg Savage?s suggestion of Imagine Reason really appeals> > because it> > is
> about atheism, not religion. It?s a challenge to explain Atheism> > without mentioning religion,
> and for a lot of us we are not anti-religion or> > the messages that individuals that people
> like Jesus delivered (I?m sure> > he was a very nice bloke) but it?s like trying to explain
> black without> > mentioning white.> > > > > > > > So I?m putting forth my suggestion of a play
> on words based on ?supercalifragilisti­cexpial?> > to try and explain what atheism and our group
> is about and came up with > > > > ?AntiSupernaturalism­ReasonisOurFocus?. > > My design skills
> are appalling (evidence attached) but I?d appreciate> > feedback or suggestions.> > > > > > > >
> Cheers> > > > Kathryn J> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > >
> From: [address removed]> > [mailto:[address removed]] On> > Behalf > > > > Of Sue
> Skuse> > > > Sent: Friday, 18 January[masked]:23 PM> > > > To: [address removed]> > > >
> Subject: RE: [atheists-501] "Specifications" for the Atheist> > Billboard Idea?> > > > > > > >
> Your email is very much to the point, I think, Martin S. > > > > > > > > We should probably try
> to agree on the broad message we want to send> > first.> > > > > > > > The billboard medium sort
> of dictates a single, powerful idea. > > Preferably> > > > mainly visual.> > > > > > > > Sue
> Skuse> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: [address removed]> >
> [mailto:[address removed]] On> > Behalf Of> > > > Martin Stuijfzand> > > > Sent: Thursday,
> 17 January[masked]:15 PM> > > > To: [address removed]> > > > Subject: [atheists-501]
> "Specifications" for the Atheist> > Billboard Idea?> > > > > > > > Hi All,> > > > Apart from
> concrete ideas for the billboard itself, I think it is> > useful to> > > > think of> > > >
> "specifications". In other words: what do we want to achieve?> > > > > > > > > > In my humble
> opinion:> > > > *There is only about split second to grab attention. I believe this> > means it>
> > > > needs an emotional or> > > > a humorous component.> > > > > > > > *Do we want to provide
> entertainment for other atheists, or do we want> > to> > > > give theists a slight> > > > nudge
> to reconsider their views? I myself would prefer the latter.> > > > > > > > *If the ad is
> negative it needs to be done carefully. If done> > skillfully, it> > > > would be a good way> >
> > > to grab attention _without_ giving atheists a bad name.> > > > > > > > *If the billboard is
> going to be offensive, I think it should be> > equally> > > > offensive to all three> > > >
> major Abrahamic religions. Most religious people have negative feelings> > > > about at least
> one of> > > > them, and it could be useful to capitalise on that. It would> > potentially> > > >
> also show the relatedness> > > > of all three. It would also reduce the opportunity for attack
> by one> > > > religion if no one religion> > > > is singled out. > > > > > > > > *An example of
> a partial exception to the not-singled-out spec would be> > the> > > > first idea Martin Rady> >
> > > put forward. "Imagine no religion" with the twin towers. No> > group in> > > > Australia> >
> can get away with> > > > saying that flying into the towers was a good idea, so there less of
> an> > > > opportunity for attack by> > > > one religion.> > > > > > > > *I believe care should
> be taken to avoid resemblance to Nazi-era> > > === message truncated ===> > > >
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