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RE: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in Australia

From: Stephen P.
Sent on: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:25 AM

Julian

 

It’s interesting that you should conclude “with all due respect” but refer to my opinion as “paff”. I think what you really meant was “no respect due” because your opinion differs from my own. You will note my original post ended with a “?” inviting others to contribute. I certainly refrained from any denigration of Martins opinion which is a politeness you have not extended to me.

All you are displaying is a complete intolerance for an apposing point of view buy inflicting the reader with irrelevant (with respect to the opinion expressed) well rehearsed leftist diatribe you have borrowed from god knows where. Do you feel better now you have had you rant?

I am a member of this community because I am a non-theist. I was not under the impression membership was conditional upon holding and supporting a socialist world view.

If you ever get to the point where you are prepared to open your mind to differing points of view, this may well happen as you get some life experience, you will realise that there are more shades of grey than absolutes. You may also get to the point where an alternate point of view is not necessarily threatening. After all a mature personality can be defined as someone who can entertain an apposing point of view without necessarily accepting it.  You might even take time to consider why the individual holds the opinion they do (in my case a close friend was hurt in the first Bali Blast and no, we were not in Iraq at that time) and feels public safety out weights any rights this Doctor may or may not have. As you are not a Federal policeman I would “respectfully suggest” you know ‘bugger all’ about what they do or don’t have on him!

My second reason for joining this community is to effectively contribute to strengthening the Atheist lobby in this country. You have clearly illustrated why this task has been described as “being like Herding Cats.” In short if atheists continue to split hairs and divide along political lines the religious loons will continue to enjoy their current lofty and unchallenged position in our community.

To borrow and alter for my own purposes an expression used by your favourite Prime Minister – I would like to think what unites us as Atheists and rationalists is greater than what divides us politically.

Respectfully

Steve Pearce

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Monday, 16 July[masked]:11 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in Australia

 

What, like all the other asylum seekers we keep locked up for years on end that must obviously mean us harm too hey?

 

I'm sure people were all too keen to spout that kind of paff when the British Police shot Jean Charles De Menezes too - all I could remember thinknig was I liked to run for the train and I like to wear bulky clothing because I come from a warmer climate, and come to think of it, I can't be assed shaving either half the time. Does that make me evil? Do I deserve to be held down and subdued, but then shot at point blank range in the head seven times anyway? Then it turned out he wasn't any of those things. He wasn't wearing a bulky coat. He wasn't even running.

 

This wouldn't be happening if they'd found anything, ergo they're railroading a guy they don't particularly like and you know how they love to cook up a story or two to look like they're protecting us in an election year. Not to mention this was the first serious test of their new powers - it wouldn't do for them to appear toothless and you sure know that little Johnny's incapable of the simplest apology.

 

It's not a conspiracy theory, they just don't have anything on the guy and it's not like they're weren't looking - they tried everywhere, even back home in India.

 

Could you imagine if you landed a dream job in the States and were shipping money home to your family here, and one of your mates you used to have a beer with went loco and threatened to shoot a few people so they decided to ship you off to Guantanemo indefinitely?

 

with all due respect...

 

Julian

-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]]On Behalf Of Stephen Pearce
Sent: Monday, 16 July[masked]:57 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in Australia

Martin

 

With respect, as a foreign national he does not have the same rights as an Australian.

 

As these people mean us harm is it not better to be safe than sorry?

 

Regards

 

Steve Pearce

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Martin Rady
Sent: Monday, 16 July[masked]:58 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [atheists-501] Worrying times for democracy in Australia

 

Australia be afraid, very afraid.

Now if the Government doesn't like the outcome of police investigations and/or judicial decisions and you are not a citizen the Government has another option. They will lock you up under their immigration laws.

This is a screaming violation of the seperation of powers between the Government and the legal system as well as the policing system.

Be afraid, very afraid.


Martin, Brisbane




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