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labour why would you?

Mark H.
user 37075662
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 6
both parties aren't that good eh. all political parties waste ur money so ur vote should go to the party that wastes the least amount of ur hard earned cash. Peter Costello delivered 10 budget surpluses in a row. labour hasn't delivered a surplus since the 80's.
Jake F.
JakeFarr-Wharton
Gold Coast, AU
Post #: 212
Delivering a surplus isn't as important as delivering adequate services to the taxpayers. Surplus is being touted as a necessity, when its delivery during such a time of economic uncertainty just adds further uncertainty as both federal and state (thus also council) department budgets.

If you want to vote based on economic ability, look at the party that has kept Australia, and Queensland, afloat while the rest of the world powers sink.
AlexS
user 6983727
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 1,056
Ummm, neither party is responsible for the modern economic situation. Though, if a government was responsible, it was probably the Hawke-Keating governments and their deregulation of the dollar coupled with opening trade agreements with Asia and Canada.






Mark H.
user 37075662
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 7
I'm sure the people of Ireland, Iceland ,Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece would argue the point that surpluses are superfluous. anyway federal and state governments are funded by mining, which in effect is holding the economy up( mostly), its kinda helping labour a lot in that the government looks a lot like mutton dressed up as lamb. oh I'm not laying the blame of the GFC at the governments door step, just saying that if you were in a economic trench so to say the last person you would want next to you would be someone from labour.
A former member
Post #: 410
I'll be voting labour because I don't know much about politics and I enjoy their crazy antics.
I can't wait to see the battle between Darth Gillard and Kev Skywalker.
(It's rumoured that she is his mother.)smile
AlexS
user 6983727
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 1,063
I'm sure he calls her mother something.
Stephen L.
user 9462431
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 89
Alex: I'm sure he calls her mother something.

Boodoom-pssshhhh! Pure gold.
Mark H.
user 37075662
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 12
news flash Australia's total national debt has risen 250% since labour took over in 2007 only Iceland and Ireland beat us in relation to national debt increase since 2007 please bring back the coalition and their 10 consecutive budget surpluses before we are all living like our poor European cousins......Gillard, Swan and Rudd have a lot of gall taking credit for Australia's resilience during the last 4yrs, the good times are over, the money has well and truly been spent we are all doomed
Steve H.
Gone_Xtianing
Group Organizer
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 557
news flash Australia's total national debt has risen 250% since labour took over in 2007 only Iceland and Ireland beat us in relation to national debt increase since 2007 please bring back the coalition and their 10 consecutive budget surpluses before we are all living like our poor European cousins......Gillard, Swan and Rudd have a lot of gall taking credit for Australia's resilience during the last 4yrs, the good times are over, the money has well and truly been spent we are all doomed

Hmmm. My personal debt rose significantly a few years back when I purchased a house. Fortunately Mark wasn't around to give me his homespun financial advice and convince me that such an investment was a bad idea - cos it wasn't. Mark, since when was being in debt per se a bad thing? Capacity to pay back the money and to get a reasonable financial and/or social return on the investment has to be taken into account. In fact not taking on debt when presented with an opportunity (whether it be a good investment or a way to overcome a problem you need solved etc) when you can afford to do so is sheer stupidity.

Rather than just regurgitate the mumbo jumbo economics often espoused by moronic shock jocks why not get a basic primer on economics so you can put forward a more reasoned political viewpoint?
Mark H.
user 37075662
Brisbane, AU
Post #: 14
Hmmmm. It seems to me Steve that when ur national debt goes up in a similar way to Iceland( the PM Haarde was an independent) and Ireland( oh Ireland had a labour govnt) there's a reasonably good chance of ending up in a similar crappy position eh. I'm sure their capacity to pay back all that debt, and loans taken to pay back all the money they had to borrow to pay off their national debt will all work out just fine. Steve the family's living in these countries may disagree with ur analogy regarding a mortgage as they have lost their homes because their personal debt increased with interest rates rising and the myriad of other negative factors associated with high national debt increase( perhaps this is ur "social return" that has to be taken into account for taking on debt?, being homeless and maybe even unemployed) So Steve to compare a personal mortgage with national debt isnt helpful, but perhaps it's all mumbo jumbo to you and this is the best you can offer. As for financial advice, any given from labour should be ignored, as they are poor with math. If you like i can list quite a few cockups they are responsible for. Apart from being alive the only thing we all have in common is money, so if i was to choose someone to look after my money i'd choose someone who is good with math at least. This much can be guaranteed when labour leave government Australia will have a large national debt and once again the coalition will sort the books out..........again!

Hmmmmmmmm." since when was being in debt per se a bad thing?" Steve I'm sure the people of Greece(labour), Portugal( labour), Ireland (labour), Italy, Iceland, Spain( labour) and anyone living under a socialist government in Europe would have a fairly good idea or opinions on when debt can actually be a bad thing, i'm sure all these poor people are contemplating ur wisdom on debt while they wait in line at their local soup kitchen or local charity shop. I'm convinced that the millions of people affected would have been just fine if you had been there to help with ur advice on mortgages and finances. It's all so simple right?

Hmmmmmmmmm. If a 250% increase in national debt is of no concern to you Steve( like i said only 2 countries have done worse than us and lets face it there are a lot of em), and perhaps in ur view even a good ting for the country ( maybe you would like to see Australia at the top of that list cause that would be a good thing?) then i'm fairly sure any financial advice that you might kindly bestow on ur peeps should surely be savaged. The fat is in the fire.

Steve ur wisdom on debt is basically very cute, i think most people have cracked that nut ( take on debt to get ahead, have a long term vision , investing for the future, capital growth, blah blah blah). I have read ur advice in the newspapers every other week.

As for politics i vote for the party that wastes the least amount of money. Is this a reasoned political view point?,
Also as an aside I love labours' philosophy regarding the carbon tax( and they still refuse to release the models that the treasury used!!...for fear of what??). The money that they raise will enable em to reduce tax's elsewhere. They have to create an extra tax to reduce tax? Have you noticed that the terminology has transformed from global warming to climate change, why is that i wonder??????
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