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Gun Violence (and other violence)

Ruth M.
Eugene, OR
Post #: 265
Great Synopsis by John Stewart of what needs fixing http://www.thedailysh...­

and what's in Obama's gun control proposal:­
A former member
Post #: 10
Lotsa beautiful thought here… What if we all move the gender considerations from sub-text to the real guts of the problem ? !

The impulse to violence… origins and how to modify or stop it.
How do we raise little boys ? Who are their role models ?

Ask any emergency room nurse or doc what is the horribly worst time/day of the year ? All will reply: Super Bowl = domestic violence day.

We can all relate to the system concept's value in passing restrictive gun laws. Surely the 'man-gun system' concept has great explanatory power. So does the idea that a person with several thousand dollars in their pocket, in a big mall, is a 'person-dollar system.' And a 4-star general, with all these new, high-tech baubles of killing power… that's a mega-man, mega-war system.

Add power to a person and the person ... Feels Empowered. They 'make it real' by expressing it... using it. But power is neutral. The person decides how it is used or misused. We have a person problem. Dismantling the system by removing the gun.... long anticipated, long countered by all sorts of interest groups. It works perfectly in theory... and we will work hard to pass the new laws, hoping they will work.

The gun becomes lethal when paired with emotions which beget violence. Remove the gun and the angers will probably not kill when expressed. But removing the gun is almost impossible in our culture of today. Witness this month's run on gun stores and trade shows.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was mostly ignored, and had to be re-written ten years later. 58 years later we still have huge racial problems, institutionalized over many decades.

Those are concepts that get laws passed, but the laws are often just whitewash, because laws without enforcement must rely solely on moral force and wherever kindness and goodness come from in humans.

When you consider the motivations for why males do things, one can usually trace the why to needs-desires to impress, influence, win or purchase or keep the female.

Our problems have multi-generational histories (tempting to say causes) and multi-generational solutions are needed.

Right now is a good time to begin the long attack on high school football, which feeds the blood sport of college and 'pro' football. Over time, the intense greed surrounding this gladiator sport must yield to the welfare of our children's brains.

'Suddenly' we have learned that violent cranial impacts are not good for developing brains. Add to that spur the effects of 40 years of Title IX, which has given us a generation of girls and women who have learned the magic of teamwork. Before IX, only softball was available as a team sport for girls. Now…. girl's soccer is taking over the athletic fields, and that is happening in the deep South, also. I have lived there and seen it. I spell that H-O-P-E.

It may be that our real agent for change is time, acting generationally with the information explosion. Knowledge is power and the internet has unleashed it. Ruth is using that power well, every day, communicating to all of us -- being an agent for change, a stimulus, a catalyst.

We need big changes. Perhaps the women will lead the way, just like the Ladies of France did, storming the Bastille… a bunch of fishwives with strong arms and sharp knives… gave freedom to all of France.

Our sharp knives (early ones) have just been elected… they belong to Emily's List, I think. Women have learned teamwork, and that will change many things.

Just musings here… writing is easy. Wonder what the thinkers think ?
A former member
Post #: 11
Well... Only one thinker had something to say, and he had not read my little post, but he seems to agree about one of the biggest roots of our cultural violence. He is our President, who dearly loves the Chicago Bears. He spoke of college, and would probably not let a son play football. Given that almost all sons are age 18 when entering college, he really must be talking about little league and high school football… not soccer, but brutal pigskin football. It is the youngsters, not experienced enough to protect themselves, six, ten ... eighteen year-olds, whose developing brains are most damaged by violent cranial impacts.

A thread of thought re gun violence led me directly to violent football, and I was reluctant to post something that flies in the face of so many people; but I just posted it anyway... and now I see that the President has run the same ideas up his very big flagpole.

This President guy has real guts. He said it in front of everyone, CNN reports:
January 27th, 2013 10:30 AM ET

Obama questions whether risks of football worth it for college players

CNN: Kevin Liptak

Washington (CNN) - The lifelong neurological maladies that some football players face have led President Barack Obama - a longtime Chicago Bears fan - to question whether the risks are worth it for college players.

In an interview released online Sunday, Obama said if he had a son, he'd "have to think long and hard before I let him play football."

College players are especially vulnerable, Obama told The New Republic, since they aren't represented by unions or heavily compensated.
"You read some of these stories about college players who undergo some of these same problems with concussions and so forth and then have nothing to fall back on," he said. "That's something that I'd like to see the NCAA think about."
In September, a study published in the journal Neurology suggested professional football players are three times more likely to have neurodegenerative diseases than the general population.
When researchers specifically looked at Alzheimer's disease and ALS - amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig's disease - that risk increased to four times that of the general population.
The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, had been following this group of players since the early '90s, when the NFL asked the institute to evaluate them for their risk of cardiovascular disease.
Other studies have linked repeated concussions in football players to chronic traumatic encephelopathy, a neurodegenerative disease with Alzheimer's-like symptoms. Those symptoms can include depression, memory loss and mood swings. Former Chicago Bears safety David Duerson, who committed suicide, was diagnosed with CTE postmortem. It can be diagnosed only after death.
In February, Obama told Bill Simmons of, a sports and pop culture news website, that he knew Duerson and "used to see him at the gym sometimes."
"Now, the problem is, if you talk to NFL players, they're going to tell you, 'That that's the risk I take; this is the game I play.' And I don't know whether you can make football (be) football if there's not some pretty significant risk factors," Obama said in that February interview.
In Sunday's remarks, Obama's tone seemed to shift. He conceded that "those of us who love the sport are going to have to wrestle with the fact that it will probably change gradually to try to reduce some of the violence."
– CNN's Nadia Kounang contributed to this report.

And… those of us who love our kids and grandkids will change Friday night lights, and so change the whole dollar machine which feeds on talented high school seniors. Change should come, probably faster than anyone anticipates. The internet accelerator could really move this, and it is the 'right' time of year. Many will say that Friday night lights will never dim… same folks who said we would never have a Black President.
Ruth M.
Eugene, OR
Post #: 270
CREDO does a lot of good things -

Wednesday February 27, 2012
Dear Ruth,

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Today, by a big margin, the winning candidate likely heading to Congress isn't rated "A" by the NRA, she's rated "F." It's a major message to the NRA that their power is seriously weakened. But there's so much more to do.

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Becky Bond, President
Ruth M.
Eugene, OR
Post #: 306

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