County Commissioner Meeting to Amend Ban

Commissioner Amy Lathen is amending the ban on roadside sale of animals, making it legal to give them away, trade, barter for free etc. – even at shopping malls which are private property.  She is doing this quickly to try to avoid opposition.

If you cannot make the meeting, please email or call the commissioners and tell them not to vote for this change in the law.

Contact information link for County Commissioners.
http://bcc.elpasoco.com/Pages/default.aspx


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  • Jeff S.

    I think what would be useful would be some compelling facts to help sway the commissioners to a desired position. Saying 'we think the ban is good and need. the craigslilst threat is marginal/low/etc. without any supporting info will be a tough sell. In LA County they out right banned selling puppies/kittens. Business didn't close. Murder and robbery rates didn't skyrocket. Life went on but the taxpayers burden for housing/healing/euthaizing all the unwanted pets went DOWN. WIn for pets. win for the taxpayers. status quo for pet stores.....stuff like that. I don't have the background that the puppy-mill rescue people should. And I think the county attorney was leaning our way too...

    January 4, 2013

    • Jeff S.

      PPART meeting or the Council meeting on the 15th? Got to check my schedule as the meetings are during my daytime work hours....

      January 4, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      The Council meeting on the 15th, starts at 9 am, downtown

      January 4, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Maybe we can encourage ALL our members to send emails!!!

    January 4, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I agree that something is better than nothing but sure hope the ban stays as written and approved in Nov. I wonder how many emails they have recd "for" vs. "against"

    1 · January 3, 2013

    • Jaime P.

      Well apparently they got a few from our side since they mentioned it :) but I'm sure more would help!

      1 · January 3, 2013

  • Jeff S.

    I struggle because in places as big as Los Angles County, they STOPPED selling kittens and puppies altogether. Full Stop. My fear for El Paso County is that this is ALL or NOTHING. I'd rather have 'something'.....but like I said, I don't have the answers so it's good to share on here. I don't think kittens/dogs should be given away or bred or worst case sold....but am stuck on 'baby steps' which may not be right.....

    January 3, 2013

    • Jaime P.

      I understand. I think a lot of us want to push to follow their lead. But we have this current hurdle to get over. We can all make a change. We just have to let our voice be heard. I hope more people will speak up!

      1 · January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Oops, lets take it home

    January 3, 2013

    • Jaime P.

      That's what I figured. Lol.

      January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Yes Jaime, free /cheap pups r used as bait in dog fighting and show up on Craigslist for sale too the next day, scammers make money doing this crap, they r also easily dumped, yes, also can be a decision to get the puppy and not thought out, "it's free, lets ate it home" , then the cuteness wears off and the dog is always the one that suffers!

    January 3, 2013

    • Jaime P.

      So many reasons to not allow this. And none for allowing it! Makes no sense to me why everyone can't see this!!! But I will keep advocating for these voiceless animals!

      January 3, 2013

  • Jaime P.

    The law will hopefully encourage people to get their pets spayed/neutered. If its not so easy to just peddle the puppies off on someone else then they might think more about stopping the cycle of producing. I HOPE the law stands as is! Please encourage everyone to send the commissioners an email asking them to keep the law the way it was passed!!!

    January 3, 2013

  • Jaime P.

    Allowing people to give away pups is a bad idea. This law will not allow irresponsible pet owners to continue producing litters because they won't get pets spayed. It will encourage them to get their pets spayed and neutered. The pups will hopefully go to the humane society where they will be spayed/neutered so that this will cut down on the number of unaltered pets in the community. Also, if we allow people to just give away dogs on the side of the road or in parking lots people will take them on a whim when getting a pet is something that should be thought out. Those puppies are more at risk of ending up unaltered, on the streets or in the shelter.

    January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Jeff, and this ordinance was presented by the HSPPR to help curb the overpopulation and the 4000 animals that r at risk for euthanasia each yr at the shelter. Allowing the free and bartered dogs to go wherever they like will not help with this problem at all. Something else to think about.

    January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I have already stopped a couple and told them nicely it was against the law and they didn't care so we already have a tough go of it as written, the sellers just ignore the laws

    January 2, 2013

    • Jeff S.

      Maybe quick smartphone pics of the perps showing the license plate # and citizen reporting?

      January 3, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Good idea

      January 3, 2013

  • Jeff S.

    This is a complex one. There are of course risks when inviting people to your home whether selling stuff, yard sale, or re-homing your pet. I had a few ideas to float: create give-away for free locations such as the flea market which is easier to police and open every weekend, or create give-away-free days like 1st 15th of the month? Not perfect, but beats having the ban dumped altogether.

    If it's illegal everywhere else but designated location to give-away, and illegal to sell anywhere, maybe thats good middle ground. Exempting ALL private property to me negates the whole thing.....still thinking about it....

    January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Postponed until Jan. 15th so Sheriff Maketa can be there, he wants this ordinance changed due to safety concerns about people having to give away their pets in their home! I say what about all the people that sell stuff on CL, is he worried about them? Also, how many times has he had a call that someone let a person in their home to look at a puppy and they got robbed or whatever it is he is worried about? Such a lame excuse to not help the animals. Heard from someone there that spoke today that last wk in Falcon 4 cars were parked at Safeway selling pups in the freezing cold in pens outside while the sellers sat in their nice warm cars!

    January 3, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Yes, the point I hope to make if not already discussed tomorrow is "what r we to do now, get out of our cars and go ask if they are selling, bartering , free? " and how many r willing to stop and ask, geez I hope this doesn't get changed!

    1 · January 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Jeff, I am worried Sallie Clark will vote in favor of changing the wording as she did at the last meeting, she thought giving away animals for free was a good thing! :(

    January 2, 2013

    • Jeff S.

      I just wrote an email to the commissioners. Explaining my position and asking them to consider whether the amendment largely makes the ban unenforceable requiring LEO to see money change hands, and in effect makes the ban pointless? The exemptions allotted in the ban as written allow for private property permissions for transactions and for dreampower, etc.. Amended or not, people are still not allowed to transact business (buy/sell/barter/trade/g­ive-away) on private property without the permission of the owner/management. With the ban in place as written LEO can engage on suspicion of breaking the ban. With the amendment, without seeing $$ change hands we're back to people just complaining to management to get them engaged, LEO likely won't get involved.....

      January 2, 2013

    • Jeff S.

      Oh, LEO = Law Enforcement Officer. Plus as I understand the rules, any proposed amendment language should be reviewed by the attorney to see if A) language is already covered by the ban as written, and B) if the language makes the ban unenforceable. The attorney at the last meeting seemed quite on the ball with both A and B.....frustrating! argh!

      January 2, 2013

  • Jeff S.

    Team,

    I've tried reading through the City Council rules/procedures. Seems that Amy might be able to raise a motion to change the wording/terms of the resolution but for it to even be considered it has to be 2nd-ed by another member. The public is supposed to have time to respond. I think notice (11 days maybe?) has to be provided and the proposed wording so the city attorney can review it.

    No expert on it. I've only skimmed through what I could find online.....

    Will try to be there tomorrow...

    Jeff

    January 2, 2013

  • Liz C.

    I can't make it, but I did send an email to each of the commissioners (except for Lathan - she's the commissioner for the district I'm in but I didn't think it would be much use since she's sponsoring it). Commissioner Glenn emailed back thanking me for message. Good luck to everyone going!

    January 2, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      I am going and I also wrote to them all except Lathen and got a reply also from just one , Glenn.

      January 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I apologize, I am unable to make this meeting, but I have emailed 4 of the commissioners I had emails for letting them know that puppies and kittens are not trading cards. They are individual lives. And having ppl on the side of the street trading them for cigarettes, booze, or whatever is ridiculous! I also thanked them for helping in making our city a great place to live, clean and clear of this activity.

    January 2, 2013

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