Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders

From: jeff
Sent on: Friday, July 13, 2007 5:59 PM
That's the one. It's pretty nice ... winding road with hills and curves through kananaskis country's elbow valley. When hwy66 runs out there's a left turn down a road and we can stop at Forget-me-not-pond. before turning around.

If needed, it can even be combined with the Millarville/Priddis loop we did last wednesday for an extended ride ..........



On 7/13/07, Aaron <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes, I'll attend. Is this the route you were hoping to take?

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On 7/13/07, jeff <[address removed] > wrote:
> Anyway, the weekend's here, so I'll keep the ball rolling by saying yes for
> a Tuesday Night Group Ride, hopefully Heather still plans to attend
> ........  anyone else who's still interested can Reply YES too ?
>  Helen, did you want to organize it ?  or everyone can propose a ride ?  My
> suggestion is to Meet at The Petro Can across from C.O.P., and go to the end
> of Hwy66 (Forget-me-not-pond) and back with stops at Bragg Creek.
>  I hope the weekly group nightride continues ... my wife was planning to
> attend at a future date (and I know she doesn't have any intention of going
> 140 - 150km/hr ....)
>
> Have a good weekend!
>
>
>
>
>  On 7/13/07, jeff <[address removed]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Heather .... I hope you haven't pulled out of the mailing list yet..
> Going faster doesn't make anyone a better rider. The important thing here is
> that Chris has helped formalize some ground rules for what a Group Ride
> should be, he's obviously put some real thought into it. I'm new to group
> rides so this is a different experience, but as long as everyone knows what
> to expect on the next one there shouldn't be any disapointment, as long as
> the organizer spells it out ahead of time. I think the majority of those who
> met Wednesday night are with you ... it's supposed to be a friendly group
> ride where we stick together.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/13/07, Helen < [address removed] > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Heather please don't go - I don't think anyone was intending on singling
> anyone out and if anything I wrote came accross as such I apologize.
> > >
> > > I think we can all remember what it was like to be the "new rider" - and
> the only way anyone gets any better is with practice.
> > >
> > > I have been riding street bikes for about 12 yrs, and I know that when
> we went on holidays here a few weeks ago we went to areas I had never been
> (at least not on motorbike), and I very quickly figured out that I don't
> know everything, and believe me, I wished I could have put training wheels
> back on my bike for some of the roads we went accross - but I took it at my
> own pace and my boyfriend was constantly waiting on me - with the attitude
> that the only way to get any better is to practice and if you push to keep
> up or ride outside YOUR capabilities you are just asking for problems.
> > >
> > > I am more than willing to try to help / share knowledge with anyone who
> wants it, but the only way to get better is to do it.
> > >
> > > Heather, (or any other "newer" riders) if you want I would be willing to
> go on rides with smaller groups if you want to work on you technical skills
> and get more comfortable with your machine without riding alone.
> > >
> > > I think some of Carl's comments were not really appropraite and came
> accross way to harsh - and when riding with a group there are certain things
> that are understood (at least in my opinion) and one of those is if another
> member of the group has technical problems or stops - at least one person
> (usually the sweep) will stop and make sure everything is ok and wait with
> them as long as needed.  I went on a HOG ride a while ago and one of the
> bikes pulled off just for some water - and the sweep stopped and waited with
> them, the rest of the group continued on and EVERYONE waited in Bragg Creek
> until EVERYONE got there - and it was a 20-30min wait.
> > >
> > > However, that being said, we do need to ride safe - and if we are going
> below the speed limit - we need to not be in the left lane, we do need to
> leave room for cars to pass if needed, and we do need to leave enough room
> between bikes for everyone to be safe.
> > >
> > > so....Heather, please don't go - I think you will be a lot of fun to
> ride with - and we all started somewhere - and I still am not a huge fan of
> riding alone!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Aaron <[address removed]>
> > > Date: Friday, July 13,[masked]:30 am
> > > Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > To: [address removed]
> > >
> > > > Heather, don't go! Seriously, email is the worst forum for discussing
> > > > these things. While Carl's email didn't read very well, he probably
> > > > had good intentions. And if not...why deprive the rest of the
> > > > group of
> > > > your company?  Give it one more chance.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/13/07, Heather Morton < [address removed]> wrote:
> > > > > After reading Carl's email....i am disappointed.  I am a
> > > > new rider....and
> > > > > yes...i need experience....AND YES!!!!!!!!!!.....I went
> > > > through a driving
> > > > > school!!! (Too Cool Motorcycle School - to be exact)....maybe
> > > > we all cant be
> > > > > as perfect as Carl....maybe Carl needs to stick with riders of
> > > > his mindset
> > > > > and driving ability.  I joined this group to meet new
> > > > people, to go for
> > > > > rides and increase my experience on the bike.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will be the last email from me...i am removing myself
> > > > from the
> > > > > membership/club.  Enjoy your rides...it was nice meeting
> > > > everyone on tuesday
> > > > > nite (and i will get those pictures to you asap).
> > > > >
> > > > > Heather
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Carl < [address removed] >
> > > > > >Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >To: [address removed]
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 13 Jul[masked]:26:16 -0400 (EDT)
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I for myself think a bit like Helen, 1- group of regular riders,
> > > > > >confrotable with their machine. for 2-3 hours rides, 2- If
> > > > the grandmas
> > > > > >want to found a group, they can suit themselfs, I consider
> > > > ridin 40 on the
> > > > > >left hand lane of a 50 zone quite dangerous...for everybody.
> > > > The third
> > > > > >group could be for crazy canucks that want to ride wide open
> > > > passing on the
> > > > > >right and stuff...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >For any ride. Please have a full tank of gaz, all your ridin
> > > > gears, maps
> > > > > >and etc. When the meeting time comes, everybody should be
> > > > ready to go. I
> > > > > >show up to ride, not to wait... Meeting places 50 km apart
> > > > aren't a bad
> > > > > >idea. But don't count on me to hold your hand during the
> > > > ride... (flats and
> > > > > >stuff) Bring a cell phone. What is it that you do when you
> > > > ride by
> > > > > >yourself???????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I understand that some are still yet to get a reasonnable
> > > > amount of
> > > > > >experience... May I suggest driving school ? Just to keep a
> > > > steady cruising
> > > > > >speed would be the least you can do. I won't tie myself to a
> > > > 10 km
> > > > > >difference with the posted speed limit. I just judge my speed
> > > > according to
> > > > > >the other motorists on the road. Don't get me wrong, I will
> > > > share my
> > > > > >knowledge of motorcycle ridin with anybody genuinely
> > > > interrested. The one
> > > > > >that started segregating this club can't find out the hard
> > > > way by
> > > > > >themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You ride or you don't
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: Helen <[address removed] >
> > > > > >>Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >>To: [address removed]
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >>Date: Thu, 12 Jul[masked]:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I am not trying to go around anyone and if it came across as
> > > > such I
> > > > > >>apologize.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I do like the stipulating the type of riding that is
> > > > planned, it would
> > > > > >>make it easier for everyone.  Maybe a Tuesday night
> > > > ride for "Slower
> > > > > >>Cruise" and a Wednesday or Thursday for "Faster Ride" and
> > > > then a seperate
> > > > > >>thing for the "As Fast As Possible"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I think there is enough members who want to ride that 2-3
> > > > night rides per
> > > > > >>week would probably get 4-5 (or more) members / night, and
> > > > as long as
> > > > > >>everyone is aware of what the ride is designed for I think
> > > > it will be
> > > > > >>good.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>From: jeff < [address removed]>
> > > > > >>Date: Thursday, July 12,[masked]:13 pm
> > > > > >>Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >>To: [address removed]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Hey Helen,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > That's great, I didn't know there could be assistant
> > > > organizers,> >> > etc .... in
> > > > > >> > which case another Meetup group probably isn't necessary,
> > > > > >> > although I notice
> > > > > >> > there are already 2 splinter groups since this one began, with
> > > > > >> > some original
> > > > > >> > members from this group.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I only brought it up because it seemed like we were going
> > > > around> >> > Robbie and
> > > > > >> > using his group to organize other rides, plus it's harder to
> > > > > >> > organize rides
> > > > > >> > when it's done through a series of emails.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The membership is a pretty mixed bag of riders right now,
> > > > so perhaps
> > > > > >> > organizers can stipulate what type of ride they're
> > > > planning that
> > > > > >> > night, such
> > > > > >> > as Sportbike Riders who plan to go really fast
> > > > ...   night.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The Calgary Female Bikers Meetup
> > > > > >> > Group<
> http://fembikers.meetup.com/165/?gj=sj17>The Calgary
> > > > > >> > Sport Bikes Meetup
> > > > Group< http://sportbikes.meetup.com/239/?gj=sj17>> >>
> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On 7/12/07, Helen < [address removed]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > On the meetup groups you can have assistant
> > > > organizer's, which
> > > > > >> > have the
> > > > > >> > > ability to add events, etc. (I'm an assistant organizer for
> > > > > >> > one of the other
> > > > > >> > > groups I belong to)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > A general charter for rides would be a good idea.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > > From: Chris < [address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > Date: Thursday, July 12,[masked]:24 pm
> > > > > >> > > Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for all of your input...keep it coming....with
> > > > enough> >> > > > info we
> > > > > >> > > > maybe could have an informal charter of how this
> > > > group rides put
> > > > > >> > > > on
> > > > > >> > > > the website.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > I think Robbie is the only one that can make major
> > > > changes to
> > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > >> > > > site as well as the schedule.  Any
> > > > additions/changes have
> > > > > >> > > > to be
> > > > > >> > > > submitted through the website and go to
> > > > him...if it were
> > > > > >> > > > possible to
> > > > > >> > > > have a few moderators or even any member could make changes
> > > > > >> > > > that
> > > > > >> > > > would be ideal.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > If we put up a weekly meet up in the calendar, say on
> > > > Wednesday> >> > > > at
> > > > > >> > > > 7pm, we wouldn't have to plan too much and whomever
> > > > showed up
> > > > > >> > > > for the
> > > > > >> > > > rides got to decide where to ride.  If you feel
> > > > like group
> > > > > >> > > > riding,
> > > > > >> > > > show up.  If it's really spontaneous ( < 4
> > > > hours notice)
> > > > > >> > > > we could
> > > > > >> > > > also say any week night show up at the spot at 7 and
> > > > if anyone
> > > > > >> > > > else
> > > > > >> > > > shows up too then you're good to go. But judging by
> > > > how fast
> > > > > >> > > > people
> > > > > >> > > > are responding to emails we're a bunch of email junkies
> > > > > >> > > > anyways :)  ...so emailing at short notice may work.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Lots of ways to slice it, I'm sure. It's very cool to
> > > > see people
> > > > > >> > > > very
> > > > > >> > > > excited about getting together and riding!
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Chris
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > On 12-Jul-07, at 12:37 PM, Helen wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > As far as I know at this point my schedule for next
> > > > > >> > Tuesday is
> > > > > >> > > > clear.>
> > > > > >> > > > > Jeff, I'm not sure why we would need to start another
> > > > > >> > meetup -
> > > > > >> > > > some
> > > > > >> > > > > of the other meetups I am part of have "functions"
> > > > up to 3
> > > > > >> > > > times /
> > > > > >> > > > > week with different members organizing them.
> > > > I guess I
> > > > > >> > > > don't see
> > > > > >> > > > > where the problem lies.
> > > > > >> > > > > I do agree that each ride should have a "leader"
> > > > and that
> > > > > >> > > > there a
> > > > > >> > > > > much better plan than we had last night, however
> > > > the meetup
> > > > > >> > > > group
> > > > > >> > > > > organizer does not necessarily have to be present
> > > > for every
> > > > > >> > > > meetup
> > > > > >> > > > > (at least in my opinion).
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > > > > From: Heather Morton <[address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > Date: Thursday, July 12,[masked]:37 am
> > > > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > I have no problem organizing another ride....*S*....
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > I totally agree with Jeff and lets set something
> > > > up for next
> > > > > >> > > > > > week.  I am out
> > > > > >> > > > > > of the country from July 19th to July 24th but am
> > > > > >> > willing to try
> > > > > >> > > > > > and set
> > > > > >> > > > > > something up for maybe tuesday nite of next
> > > > > >> > week....anyone up
> > > > > >> > > > > > for it???
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > Heather
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >From: jeff < [address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul[masked]:25:46 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >Aaron and Chris are absolutely right, because a
> > > > group ride
> > > > > >> > > > > > between
> > > > > >> > > > > > >strangers
> > > > > >> > > > > > >without a plan is doomed from the get go .....
> > > > if this
> > > > > >> > > > > > particular group is
> > > > > >> > > > > > >to become a regular thing it obviously has to be
> > > > > >> > > > > > organized.  Perhaps
> > > > > >> > > > > > >everyone who's still interested in meeting up
> > > > can agree
> > > > > >> > to some
> > > > > >> > > > > > general>rules, such as: (1) speeds stay between 10km
> > > > > >> > above or
> > > > > >> > > > > > below the speed limit
> > > > > >> > > > > > >so the group stays together (2) Plan the route
> > > > and the
> > > > > >> > > > stops so
> > > > > >> > > > > > everyone is
> > > > > >> > > > > > >on the same page (3) Meet up at the PETRO CANADA
> > > > across from
> > > > > >> > > > > > C.O.P. beore
> > > > > >> > > > > > >the ride instead of Tim Horton's. This would be
> > > > a good start
> > > > > >> > > > > > anyway. The
> > > > > >> > > > > > >plan is still to have fun but to ride as a group.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >Ideally someone should start another meetup
> > > > group for calgary
> > > > > >> > > > > > nightriders,>but that means someone has to step
> > > > up and
> > > > > >> > be the
> > > > > >> > > > > > organizer. I get the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >impression no one really wants to do that.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >On 7/12/07, Heather Morton
> > > > < [address removed] > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>I have to also agree with Helen and
> > > > Chris.  I
> > > > > >> > dont know
> > > > > >> > > > > > if I was riding
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>slow
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>(im thinking there may be something wrong with my
> > > > > >> > > > speedometre -
> > > > > >> > > > > > which im
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>getting checked) but everytime i looked at my
> > > > speed i was
> > > > > >> > > > > > doing 120 or
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>more.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>    If it was me that was riding
> > > > too slow...i
> > > > > >> > > > > > appologize....I was trying
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>stay with the group.   I really
> > > > wanted to go
> > > > > >> > for a
> > > > > >> > > > > > nice enjoyable ride
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>with
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>the group but as Helen and Chris mentioned...it
> > > > didnt take
> > > > > >> > > > > > long for us to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>all get split up.  Again..i think because
> > > > it was our
> > > > > >> > > > > > first ride we werent
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>organized enough with a plan....its a learning curve!
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>Im sure the next ride out will be better
> > > > organized and im
> > > > > >> > > > > > looking forward
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>hooking up with everyone again..*S*
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>Heather
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >From: Helen <[address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Date: Thu, 12 Jul[masked]:58:36 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >I agree with you Chris - when we pulled out
> > > > of Tim
> > > > > >> > Horton's> > > > most of the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >group was already out of sight before
> > > > everyone was
> > > > > >> > even out
> > > > > >> > > > > > of the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>parking
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >lot - although that is a bad location to pull
> > > > out of
> > > > > >> > at that
> > > > > >> > > > > > time of day
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >(maybe a location closer to the edge of the
> > > > city for the
> > > > > >> > > > > > evening rides
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >would be a good idea).
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >The riding as a group is good as long as
> > > > everyone is
> > > > > >> > > > > > watching for
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>everyone
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >else.  The biggest concern I had when riding
> > > > > >> > was people
> > > > > >> > > > > > slowing down
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>while
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >in the middle of a curve - everyone was
> > > > riding quite close
> > > > > >> > > > > > together>>heading
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >out of Bragg Creek to Millerville and the
> > > > speed I
> > > > > >> > was doing
> > > > > >> > > > > > was under
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >posted speed limit - there were cars behind the
> > > > > >> > group that
> > > > > >> > > > > > couldn't pass
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >but were really being held up by the group
> > > > only doing
> > > > > >> > > > > > (according to my
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >speedo) about[masked]km / hr in the straight areas
> > > > > >> > and 70-90
> > > > > >> > > > > > in the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>corners.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >  I'm not saying that we need to speed -
> > > > however> >> > > > > > sticking to posted
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>speed
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >limit would be nice - as would maintaining
> > > > more of a
> > > > > >> > > > > > constant speed, I
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >apologize for pulling ahead, but it was
> > > > making me nervous
> > > > > >> > > > > > with the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >variations in speed.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Those are just my observations - I'm far from
> > > > a perfect
> > > > > >> > > > > > rider, but in
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>order
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >to make sure everyone is together and that we
> > > > can identify
> > > > > >> > > > > > any riders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>with
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >problems so that everyone feels comfortable that
> > > > > >> > they would
> > > > > >> > > > > > be "noticed"
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>if
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >they did, as Chris put it, had a flat tire or
> > > > worse.> >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >The final leg of the loop I didn't do - I
> > > > turned off on
> > > > > >> > > > > > Highway 22x and
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >went back to the city via Macleod Trail - I thought
> > > > > >> > I had
> > > > > >> > > > > > mentioned that
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>in
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Bragg Creek, I apologize if not everyone was
> > > > aware that
> > > > > >> > > > > > there were some
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>of
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >us turning off - there were a couple other
> > > > riders with
> > > > > >> > > > me at
> > > > > >> > > > > > that point
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>who
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >also lived just off 22x or Deerfoot.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >I hope I am not offending anyone, but as
> > > > Chris put
> > > > > >> > it I
> > > > > >> > > > > > think we all
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>just
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >want everyone to have fun and be safe.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >From: Chris < [address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Date: Thursday, July 12,[masked]:33 am
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > It was great to meet everyone and put some faces
> > > > > >> > to those
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > motorcycle
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > pics!
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I can't say that I had a great time riding
> > > > though> >> > as most
> > > > > >> > > > > > of the
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > time
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I was riding alone.  If I didn't
> > > > catch the
> > > > > >> > > > traffic light
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > just right
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > or waited at a stop sign to safely proceed I
> > > > > >> > found myself
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > excessively
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > speeding to catch the group or I never saw the
> > > > > >> > group at
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > all.  I
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > wondered if I had a flat tire or worse, an
> > > > > >> > accident, that
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > anyone
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > would have noticed to come back for
> > > > me.  On the
> > > > > >> > > > > > final leg
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > of the loop
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I decided to see if everyone had stopped
> > > > in Bragg
> > > > > >> > > > Creek to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > regroup
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > but I only saw Loretta trying to get some gas.
> > > > > >> > > > The gas
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > station was
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > closed so we went to the Petro-Can on hwy
> > > > 1 because
> > > > > >> > > > she
> > > > > >> > > > > didn't
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > feel
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > that she could make it back to the city on the
> > > > > >> > gas she
> > > > > >> > > > > > had left.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > As a riding group I think we need to have
> > > > > >> > > > > > responsibilities to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > make
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > sure we are safe and everyone makes it
> > > > back at the
> > > > > >> > > > end of a
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > ride.  I
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > think it's fun to ride in a group and meet
> > > > new people
> > > > > >> > > > and
> > > > > >> > > > > part
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > of it
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > for me is that I won't be alone or others
> > > > won't be
> > > > > >> > > > alone if
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > something
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > bad happens  during the trip.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > My intention of this email is not to insult
> > > > > >> > anyone by
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > criticizing
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > their riding abilities (I'm definitely not
> > > > perfect)> >> > > > but to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > raise
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > awareness so that we can all have a lot of
> > > > fun, learn
> > > > > >> > > > > > from each
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > other
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > (there's quite a few new riders here) and
> > > > above all
> > > > > >> > > > be safe.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Here's a couple of links I found about
> > > > group riding.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Please feel
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > free to add more links and/or discuss
> > > > it....it's our
> > > > > >> > > > > > group so
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > we
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > decide how much fun we're going to have!
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >>
> http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/
> > > > > >> > > > > group_motorcycle_safety/
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > http://www.valueaccessories.net/Group%20Riding.htm>
> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks,
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Chris
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 12-Jul-07, at 8:30 AM, Heather Morton wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It was fun.........but im going to look into
> > > > > >> > > > getting a
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > new
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > bike....my butt was killing me just
> > > > after a few
> > > > > >> > > > > > hours....i had
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > make a stop at  a friends house in
> > > > > >> > Glenmore to
> > > > > >> > > > > > take a
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > break before
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > i headed home to coventry...*L*  I think
> > > > > >> > its time
> > > > > >> > > > > > for my
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > cruizer
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Heather
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> From: Helen < [address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Date: Thu, 12 Jul[masked]:20:20 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> The head count when we left Tim
> > > > Horton's was 11.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> It was a lot of fun - hopefully we can
> > > > make it a
> > > > > >> > > > > > weekly / 2 x
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > /
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> week event.
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> From: Heather Morton
> > > > <[address removed] >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> Date:
> > > > Thursday, July 12,[masked]:16 am
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > I think there was about 8 of us....
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >From: Aaron < [address removed]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >Reply-To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >To: [address removed]
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >Subject: Re: [motorcycle-74] nightriders
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul[masked]:20:32 -
> > > > 0400 (EDT)
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >How many riders attended?
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >On 7/11/07, Heather Morton
> > > > > >> > > > > > < [address removed]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >>Awsome ride tonite...thanks guys....(it
> > > > > >> > was my
> > > > > >> > > > > > first time out
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