RE: [9-11-350] Police stop our street actions becuase of loitering. Well here is the law

From: scobman
Sent on: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:56 PM
You were wrong, FACE IT


From: [address removed]
Subject: RE: [9-11-350] Police stop our street actions becuase of loitering. Well here is the law
To: [address removed]
Date: Thu, 30 Oct[masked]:57:37 -0400

What had happened was, the officer told us to cut the banners down from the fence (we did). We then asked if it would be OK for us to stay if we were holding the banners. He first said yes, then he told us he would need to contact his Sargent to make sure.
That is when he sprog the loitering ordinance on us.

So unless you know the whole story, don't accuse anyone of "infiltration" or "exaggerating the facts".

Thanks for your input.

Ben

--- On Thu, 10/30/08, scobman <[address removed]> wrote:
From: scobman <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [9-11-350] Police stop our street actions becuase of loitering. Well here is the law
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 2:10 AM

Cop said you could hold the sign in your hands and stand up there and that was your right.
 
  I agree, standing there holding your sign is our right.
 
Afixing a sign to the physical structure is what the issue was.
 
You cant spray paint messages on the public sidewalk but you can stand their with a sign saying the same thing.
 
The cop looked like he respected our rights, and put effort towards trying to do so.
 
Some cops would of tased you immediately the second you questioned their authority.
Then you know some cops liked to get in those little kicks and blows to head and get you all bloody, it makes them look tougher.
 
So be glad the cop didnt make you   "LICK HIS BOOTS"
 
So far to me it looks like a fabled image of the event is being presented.
 
BEWARE: Infiltration, exagerating the facts here to cause tention, conquer and divide cuz the cop looked cool to me and I dont take no lip when my rights are stepped on.
   
Remember TIM cut me off the email list once before for FREEDOM OF SPEECH when i didnt agree and spoke out about it.
 
However the video didnt show me any abusive power or actions taking place.
 
 
 
 
From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Subject: [9-11-350] Police stop our street actions becuase of loitering. Well here is the law
Date: Thu, 30 Oct[masked]:43:53 -0400

Here is the WE ARE CHANGE video of the confrontation with the Phoenix PD and DPS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzrVXJNLQRk


According to the law (stated below), we are NOT loitering when doing our street actions.


I bolded the words I feel should be emphasized.


http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/02905.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-2905. Loitering; classification

A. A person commits loitering if such person intentionally:

1. Is present in a public place and in an offensive manner or in a manner likely to disturb the public peace solicits another person to engage in any sexual offense; or

2. Is present in a transportation facility and after a reasonable request to cease or unless specifically authorized to do so solicits or engages in any business, trade or commercial transactions involving the sale of merchandise or services; or

3. Is present in a public place to beg, unless specifically authorized by law; or

4. Is present in a public place, unless specifically authorized by law, to gamble with any cards, dice or other similar gambling devices; or

5. Is present in or about a school, college or university building or grounds after a reasonable request to leave and either does not have any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a pupil or student or any other specific legitimate reason for being there or does not have written permission to be there from anyone authorized to grant permission.

B. Loitering under subsection A, paragraph 5 is a class 1 misdemeanor. Loitering under subsection A, paragraphs 1, 2, 3 and 4 is a class 3 misdemeanor.




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