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RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan

From: dave van h.
Sent on: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:09 PM
Vince, Vince, Vince-meister! 

You da man...Evolved Cyber Renaissance Hacker.... 

Here's a standard for you.... and all our friends... 802.11

If that hasn't been world changing.... nothing has. Loved the Franklin
Planner bit.... Still it doesn't need its own power source, and you can read
it in strong unfiltered sunlight. 

That new blade from Gillette is one fine deal.... I'm still using the one
they sent me in the mail...probably too good.... I won't buy enough, so
they'll cancel the program....

CWSA....a great excuse to get out of the home office and drink a beer!



-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf
Of Vince Frantz
Sent: Tuesday, October 30,[masked]:28 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan

HAHA - you made seriously good points. I think that geeks and binary  
street fighters would never join any club anyway.

There will always be the cutting edge wild west. No one is blocking  
that. Without that - standards would never evolve and they would end  
up being dogmeat (like MSDOS). They would end up being rendered  
obsolete (Franklin Planner insert hole dimensions). They would need  
millions of dollars of marketing to keep people buying (Gillette  
Atra). At some point standard lock-in kills Innovation and breeds  
complacency.

But then there is the middle ground. The gene pool of ideas and  
thoughts that when the stars align (consumers and producers) you get  
great innovation and freedom (ISO 9960 - the CD ROM or HTTP!).

So a group that scans the wild west for the things that let them do  
better/faster/cheape­r (and make some money to put kids in school)  
will vote with their actions - not with academic writing and  
"intelligent design". Man is not capable of an original thought -  
only seeing new patterns.

I came in from the wild west and the water is nice and cozy.  
Limitations are Freeing. It is a paradox but it is a "truth". There  
is such a thing as too much freedom and there is a big difference  
between a monopoly and a standard - but a fine line between them.

So maybe the mantra is "CWSA - Standards Evolve and So Should YouT"

(not you Dave - but the royal "you")

Vince



On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:59 PM, dave van horn wrote:

> Vince...
>
> You know I love ya man? Right!?!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On  
> Behalf
> Of Vince Frantz
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30,[masked]:52 AM
> To: [address removed]
> Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan
>
> I think that since we say "cleveland", "web", and "standards" in the
> name, maybe the slogan could reach a bit higher to frame "why" we
> think standards are important. If it is only the design of a final
> website (code or visuals), then "design" will speak to that. If we
> think standards could apply to process and documentation and other
> best practices, then we probably should make something more broad-
> sounding. Standards create the most freedom for an activity. Without
> them, your freedom results in extreme risk and, like an apartment
> building in Ankara your design implodes.
>
> Design Through Standards
>
> Freedom Through Standards
>
> Standards For Innovation
>
> Innovation Through Standards
>
> ...sounds business-y but I say reach high. Let all other Associations
> take notice - there is more to life than SEO and Pay-Per-Click. If
> anyone can think of some not-so-corny but more to the point slogans
> that would be good. If the CWSA is mainly about XHTML/CSS then these
> would not be very appropriate.
>
> I agree that we have too much "deficit marketing" in Cleveland. I
> always viewed Cleveland as an amazing, dynamic city with big sports,
> good music and art and plenty of good skatespots. Then again - I am
> from Toledo. Toledo has great pride - but we do look up to Cleveland
> so take that for what it's worth.
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2007, at 8:40 AM, al wasco wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2007, at 3:57 AM, ken wrote:
>>
>>> CWSA - Serving the Web Community with Quality
>>>
>>> because we help each other, "each other" being anyone who comes to a
>>> meeting or joins us online, we are a service organization.
>>>
>>> because we focus on the server side of the web, though with a
>>> concern of
>>> what happens in folks' browsers.
>>>
>>> because we emphasize standards which, in the end, help make all web
>>> sites and web browsers work better, we promote quality.
>>>
>>
>>
>> definitely a step in the right direction. other thoughts:
>>
>> Standard is Better
>>
>> Standard is Excellent
>>
>> Setting High Standards
>>
>> Setting High Standards for Cleveland
>>
>> Setting High Standards for Cleveland's Web Community
>>
>> (you can see where this is going)
>>
>>
>> btw, interesting comments from everyone on this issue - i've
>> enjoyed the discussion.
>>
>> al
>>
>> Al Wasco, Assistant Professor
>> Visual Communication & Design/Interactive Media
>> Cuyahoga Community College Western Campus
>> Office: C230  Phone:[masked]  Fax:[masked]
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>> Personal website: www.TheViewFrom32.co­m
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