Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?

From: Ronald F.
Sent on: Thursday, March 4, 2010 8:53 AM
Brian, Stuart et al,
 
Thanks for the info, I have tons of research and reading to do on this.
I did the install site using version 7 beta, it installed easilly and it works, so now it's time to do theme and module tests.
thanks again for the info and discussion.
Ron

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Stuart Smith <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Stuart Smith <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?
To: [address removed]
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:35 PM

Ron & Brian:

Brian, thanks for sharing these free video resources.  I have viewed all the http://mustardseedmedia.com/podcast videos (good starting point) and have bookmarked, but not viewed yet, the http://learnbythedrop.com/gettingstarted videos.  Here are some other Drupal video sites that I have bookmarked for future viewing: 


Brian, I need to learn more about the "DrupalCons, DrupalCamps, and Drupal Meet-ups" groups that you mention meet online -- tell me more and send links.  

I have been following some items about  http://www.drupalgardens.com/ via Twitter, but don't think it is a good match for my interests -- if anyone has looked at this more, let me know what you think.  

Ron, I also highly recommend the book Using Drupal (O'Reily Press), and have also read Building Powerful and Robust Websites with Drupal 6 (by David Mercer - good book, but seems more geared for bloggers).  I found it is easy to set up practice sites as you work through these books' examples, but it is not the same as working on a project for a real customer.  I am currently reading Leveraging Drupal (by Victor Kane), which starts with Drupal 5, but does go into moving to Drupal 6 and talks about some high-level settings.   See Drupal books at: http://drupal.org/books

A couple of people from the Web Development SIG have gotten together to talk about Drupal off-group.  If anyone else is interested in meeting to talk about Drupal, please let me know.  

Another resource I have bookmarked which you might find useful is: 16 Different Clones You Can Build with Drupal http://webjackalope.com/16-different-clones-you-can-build-with-drupal/

Thanks for sharing on this subject.  

Stuart

Web Development SIG Co-Leader www.WebSigCleveland.org 
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On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Brian Morris wrote:

Ron,

The problem is that you will hate the first Drupal site. It has been said, the learning curve is steep and it is true. But once you learn Drupal, you can pull just about anything off. There is a great book, "Using Drupal" that you might want to have a quick breeze through. It basically gives a bunch of use cases and solves them with Drupal, without touching code. 

One of the things I love about using Drupal, it being open source, and the community really embracing that, is that most of the DrupalCons, DrupalCamps, and Drupal Meet-ups post videos, audio, and slides of there get togethers on-line. Great FREE resource. Mustardseedmedia.com and learnbythedrop.com have some helpful tutorials as well.

Brian Morris
2nd Mile Productions

On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Ronald Finnerty wrote:

Jason,
Thank you for the informative view point.
I think I will dive in and try one site as drupal cms and see how much i hate/love it.
I may be contacting you about hosting rates...if you could send them directly to me with details about bandwidth, traffic, ect all the hosting stuff.
please send to [address removed].
thanks
Ron Finnerty

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Jason McMunn <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Jason McMunn <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 12:52 AM

Drupal is a lot like going to Lowes or Home Depot.  It has everything you could possibly need for the average home improvement (site).  That being said, if you don't know what you're looking for when you go there, you'll end up wasting a lot of time buying crap you don't need only to find out your site isn't what you wanted. (Thankfully Drupal is free, you're only spending your time on it)

The fundamentals of good site design include an architecture of what the site will have (sign up? shopping cart? blogging? RSS? user profiles? file uploads? events? calendar? wiki style editing? comments?).  Drupal has all of those things and a thousand more.  The problem is that module x might not be compatible with module y.  You might have to get a version slightly outdated of module z if you don't want the new features.  It's a bit of a maze to navigate.  Upgrading can be a chore if you are going more than a few micro-versions... But that is all getting better.

Also it's important to think about how you want the site to look.  Drupal has a lot of out of the box themes.  You can find a variety of them and use them as a basis to build your own if you don't like what you see for free. (Or hire someone to make a drupal theme, the templating format is fairly standard.

Also because drupal runs on MySQL/PHP, you'll find a million places to host it. (Pick me! $15/month! And i take care of upgrades!!) But you can find hosting for like $5/month with drupal on major providers.

I've done over a dozen drupal sites and it has never let me down.

mcmunn



-----Original Message-----
From: "Ronald Finnerty" <[address removed]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 2,[masked]:11am
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?

sorry i got DNN is dot net. I still want to hear opinions on drupal use/mis-use/abuse.
ron

--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Ronald Finnerty <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Ronald Finnerty <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 11:42 PM







Sorry to get in this discussion late but...
DNN is drupal???
And what issues did you have with it that you have such a bad taste?
Was it because the learning curve annoyed any/everyone who had to work with/on the sites? No necessarilly the CMS just misconfiguration/mis-designed sites?
Or were the sites over ambitious because "there are modules written that let you do that"  so of course the sites weren't fully tested until they had kitchen sinks that leaked.
I am curious as many are again discussing whether Drupal is the CMS to use.
I can't wait to read someone post that has actiual experience...good and bad.
Ron


--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Dan Andrews <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Dan Andrews <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?
To: [address removed]
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 8:09 AM


With that said, DNN isn't great, but there are few choices for .NET and when you live by MS you die by MS.  My previous experience is with LAMP.

On my list of things to do before I die is to make an opensource CMS in .NET that can use MySQL, MS SQL, and XML as data sources.  I'd model it after WP and use JSON and EXT and use standard .NET for the Logic and Data access layer (no NHibernate for me).  I would only have to resist writing the majority of the code in TSQL.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason McMunn" <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, February 18,[masked]:54:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?

I had to support DNN at work for almost 2 years... We logged more 
tickets and more downtime with that site than we did an other platform.

Out over 200 sites, 80% J2EE, 10% RoR, 5% PHP, the rest Misc, we had 
more outages and problems with that site.

I will never run DNN at another site.  I assume it was bad developers, 
or problems with the server or something other than the platform, as 
that seems to be the only real Open Source Project on Windows, but 
still.  I have nightmares.

I would go Unix(FreeBSD or OpenSolaris) or Linux.

mcmunn


On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Dan Andrews wrote:

> Wordpress... oh wait, that wasn't an option.
>
> I agree with Drupal is the way to go for a professional CMS.  We use 
> DotNetNuke at work for obvious reasons.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James R Stone" <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18,[masked]:21:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] First Post: Drupal vs. Joomla?
>
> My opinion is that Joomla has an easier learning curve to begin 
> with. Drupal is awesome! Joomla is good if you have a smaller site. 
> Drupal is constantly growing and the modules are up to 3000. Writing 
> code for Drupal modules isn't too bad. I don't know about Joomla.
>
>
> fndtn357
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Scott McCarty < [address removed] 
> > wrote:
>
>
> Hey guys, I have been following this list for a while, but this is 
> my first
> post. I have a question, what are your thoughts on Drupal vs. Joomla 
> for a
> CMS/Framework? Is it worth taking some time to learn both?
>
> Which do you like better and why?
>
> Thanks
> Scott M
>
>
> --
> Scott McCarty
> EYEMG.com LLC - Interactive Media Group
> 190 North Union St.
> Akron, Oh 44304
> Office: [masked] ext 214
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