Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...

From: Aoirthoir An B.
Sent on: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:44 AM
Kevin,

Thanks. A couple steps are definitely doable. Having a ramp will be nice as well, especially since the landlord is offering to build it for us.

Yes, I'll be using the space for other things. But mostly just for the web classes to start with. 

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Kevin T <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Kevin T <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:42 PM

Aoirthoir,

I don't want to be the one keeping the class from happening. Don't worry too much about my participation. If it's 2 steps, 2 or 3 people can lift the chair if there is enough space. Are you renting the place for other stuff as well?

Have you thought of video taping your classes?

-Kevin



From: Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wed, March 10, [masked]:10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...

Kevin, 

I will be renting a place and while it's not accessible, it does have only two steps from the one hall. The Landlord is willing to build us a portable ramp or if we can get a portable ramp someplace, we could set it up and down whenever we needed. So I wanted to get your thoughts. The rent is cheap (230/month for the first month including utilities) so it is very well within my means. But if we are able to get a ramp for those two steps it might be something which we could ensure that you have participation at all of the classes in person.

Thoughts?

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir Van LipenLoopenStein. MUAHAHA:)

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Kevin T <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Kevin T <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 8:31 PM

What about that coffee house place we used with the TV? That isn't available? Lifting a power wheelchair up a flight of stairs is not a good idea, a few steps maybe. Aoirthoir, if you can provide detail notes on the classes I wouldn't mind missing the classes.

Kevin


From: Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thu, February 25,[masked]:54:07 PM
Subject: RE: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...

Vince,

As far as carrying folks, agreed on all of that. My mother had needs, and I had to carry her, it was not easy. But with help I was able to do it. Still, there are concerns as you have mentioned. Thus I think the best situation is to offer additional classes as I have, outside of here with the intention of eventually having a facility that is accessible for all.

Now as to Stored Procedures, of course my good man! That's what I use for nearly all of my work. So that will eventualyl be part of a more advanced class in the coming weeks.

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir
--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Vincent Miller <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Vincent Miller <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 10:59 AM

Aoirthoir, the latest reply to the groups drupal vs joomla question brought up a question for me: in your mysql classes, will you be getting into mysql 5s stored procedures? I have little use for an intro-to-mysql class, which is why I have kept silent and have not attended, but I have no experience with stored procedures and their availability now has caught my attention. I���ll probably start experimenting with them myself, but if you���ll be covering this (with experience), I may be interested.

 

Since I���m talking��� of the ���we���ll carry people up/down the stairs������ it���s nice that people are willing to help, but be very cautious. One word: ���liability���. If anyone gets hurt, good intentions or not, the insurance companies will come after peoples heads. Everyone involved: the helpers, the lease holder, the property owner, etc���  Accessibility is true or false. Sorry to be a downer on that one, but red flags started flying when I read of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Stuart Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 24,[masked]:26 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...

 

Aoirthoir:

 

          Thanks for starting the meetings again.  Please don't have the meetings on the 2nd Saturday (GCPCUG.org meeting), and definitely not on the 3rd Saturday.  On the third Saturday is my Web Development SIG (www.WebSigCleveland.org ) meeting which does have attendees that also attend the MySQL classes.  You can see a list of tech events at Google calendar maintained at: http://clevelandtechevents.com/

 

          Looking forward to the next meeting.  

Stuart

Web Development SIG Co-Leader - www.WebSigCleveland.org 

Follow me on: twitter.com/sos_jr
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Stuart O. Smith, Jr., MNO, MCP+I 
Certified Internet Webmaster - Master Designer

home email: [address removed]

 

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On Feb 24, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Aoirthoir An Broc wrote:



Ron,

 

For this meetup I try to be as inclusive as I can. I understand that circumstances (my income) might impair that desire to some degree. Still, if it is within my reach, even if it takes a bit of work, I want to meet the needs of others. So along those lines I consider the following:

 

1. Not all folks could afford a monthly fee for the meetup. So their needs are met by me keeping it free. This doesn't preclude posting events that require a charge, and those that cannot afford such events would be excluded. I hope this is balanced by my offering the meetup and some (or all) of my own events in the meetup for free. 

 

2. Some folks have access needs. Folks that require wheelchairs, scooters, canes or other ambulatory tools will find it difficult climbing the long flight of stairs to the new location. Heck I find it difficult. Since I have no easy solution to this, I hope I can balance it by offering an extra class elsewhere. I realize this creates a segregation, which I greatly regret. But I will be working over the next few months to find a more apropos place. But that will entail funds, which right now I've not got. 

 

3. Some folks need visual tools. Perhaps larger monitors, or speaking software. If I have the means to accommodate, I will. Right now we've not run into this, but I expect some time I will.

 

These are just some examples of needs that many of us don't think about because we take our ease of access for granted. Myself, so much so that it didn't dawn on me about the steps until a short time ago. 

 

Of course each of us has other needs besides these. Since I like to help, if I can, I will. 

 

Speaking of which is Saturday acceptable for people for now?

 

Kind Regards,

Aoirthoir


--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Ronald Finnerty <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Ronald Finnerty <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 12:02 PM

Aoirthoir,

 

not really trying to be funny but what do you mean by "needs".

Sometimes i am quite daft...does that qualify as a "need".

I think your offer if great, as it is a much more intense time constraint on you.

I will adapt to wherever and when ever you decide just let me know the details.

I will adjust to what others prefer first.

thanks again for doing this.

 Ron Finnerty

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:56 AM

Kevin,

 

There is no elevator but I think I have a solution for those that arent. If I am teaching say about 4 people or fewer, then I can do that easily enough at Beyond PC. Teaching the large group that we had here is really difficult though, and other locations were as well. So I am thinking that I could set up two classes. One during the week for a handful of people and another at the new location for larger numbers. I kow that means that those with needs would not be in person as a part of the large groups, but it would also give them the advantage of more focused attention, so I hope the trade off would be worth it.

 

What do you think?

 

Kind Regards,

Aoirthoir

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Kevin <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Classes now back on track, seeking feedback...
To: [address removed]
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 9:52 AM

Is there an elevator at the new location?






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