Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback

From: Ronald F.
Sent on: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:11 PM
Kevin,
 
Thank you very much for the info on notes...i will have to check on what is there...yes a wiki or blog containing them would be great for me..but i am not looking for anyone to do anything more than just shoot me a copy of what they might have written down/learned.
 As for the ramp, yes I built it because we are all in this thing together. I apologize for not making the little one for the front outside door I finished the monster and delivered it about 8 hours before i had to leave for alabama. It should be simple enough a 2x4 on its side and a piece of plywoodlaying on it 16" to 20" by the door width a few nails/screws and viola a entry ramp.
years ago oddly enough I learned some programming in rocky river at a user group way back in the seventies and from that point I respect the freely given time and knowledge that is the corner stne of user groups. Everyone helps with what they can, we help each other.
Aoirthoir and Stuart reminded me of that freely given help philosophy and so I do what i can too.
Again thank you for the information about notes
Ron Finnerty

--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Kevin T <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Kevin T <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback
To: [address removed]
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:32 PM

Ron,

Thank you so much for building the ramp! You are the one who built the ramp right? We just need a small ramp for the front and we're set.

We should have an online place where we can put up weekly notes for everyone. Something like a wiki page or a blog layout. I don't think the meetup forum is good enough.

-Kevin


From: Ronald Finnerty <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, April 13,[masked]:44:20 PM
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback

Aoirthoir and programming folkes.
 
I am stuck out of town for some months and really miss these class sessions.
If someone is taking notes and wouldn't mind sending me a copy I would greatly appreciate it.
If I can't be there maybe I can still cull some knowledge from someones notes.
If possible PLEASE send me copies as the class(es) go forward.
For those unaware: FLOSS is a podcast on http://www.Twit.tv with Randall Schwartz.
Good stuff on open source software and it's creators.
Thanks in advance to whomever sends me notes and to Aoirthoir for doing the classes.
Ron
 

--- On Tue, 4/13/10, Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 5:07 PM

Please keep in mind that the next two Sundays that I will be there, (Either this sunday and next or this sunday and the following, if I go out of town), that we will be focusing on planning, and not coding. As a result it is fairly important for folks to be there as early as possible. So even though some have skipped the HTML/CSS or the MySQL one the first couple of times, your presence at these will reduce our need to repeat what's already been discussed. Though I am understanding that not everyone can dedicate 6 hours of their time. So this is just a request:) 

Also if someone needs car pooling maybe we could all work together. So hopefully those that are coming could respond to the email here, and let others know if they would be willing to pick someone up or take them back and what area they are in. Those that are getting rides would hopefully be willing to share some gas costs with their riders. 

If I am missing anything please let me know. 

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Aoirthoir An Broc <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:44 PM

Stuart,

Glad to hear! The Yes We Can Has No Bananas troupe talked about the HTML5/CSS and we definitely need to be there. Laurel is aghast that you folks get up before 6pm but I think we might be able to threaten her to go. Hopefully by Sunday I'll have hit with a couple pays and we can get a nice whiteboard and LCD monitor.

Also we were debating just eliminating the tables and doing a round forum for our work. We'll get more feedback from everyone this Sunday. 

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Stuart Smith <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Stuart Smith <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Sunday Workshops and Now Project - Need Feedback
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:36 PM

Aoirthoir:

I am excited! Thanks.  I just RSVP'd for all three workshops.  I skipped the HTML workshop last week, but heard it was good.  LIke how next week will tie HTML into PHP project next week.  

Glad you said you were interesting in attending my next Web Development SIG on HTML5/CSS3.  All details and driving directions can be found at: www.WebSigCleveland.org

Until then...let me know if you need anything.  

Stuart

Web Development SIG Co-Leader www.WebSigCleveland.org 
Follow me on: twitter.com/sos_jr
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On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Aoirthoir An Broc wrote:

Howdy Folks!

The third week of our workshops has come and went. I have solicited comments from folks that attended to find ways to improve the methods I am using to teach. So I'll toss a couple of those out now, and I'd like further suggestions from anyone that would like to offer their views.

The most consistent suggestion is that we definitely needs HANDS ON time. With that in mind we decided as a group to work on a project together. I suggested a simple CMS* I had hacked together, in a rush some months ago. Like most rushed projects, it filled a need, but it also has some weaknesses that can be rectified with planning proper coding. So we'll be using some of the ideas from this very small project as a springboard to create our own CMS. Throughout the life of the project, the source code (and any documentation, images etc) will be released with a FLOSS** License (likely the GNU GPL v2 or later, v3 or later, or the GNU Affero v3 or later, which will be worked out through agreement of the initial participants in the project).

Next week's meetups will be dedicated to the planning stage. We won't be focusing on code at all. Rather we will be concentrating on discussion. What would we want in a CMS? Who is our software's target audience? How should we implement security? Should we use a database, or text file system for content? What kind of screen do we need? What data structures should we create? These and many other questions we will be asking, and resolving for this project over the next couple of weeks.

After that we'll begin the process of creating code. The code will include an HTML/CSS front end. PHP will be used for the business logic and then be used to output the HTML. Certain parts of the program might include access to a database. In which case we'll be using MySQL as our DB of choice.

As part of our process we'll be dividing into smaller groups as teams. This way, more experienced persons, can help those with less experience. (Eg. those with no php or mysql experience can help those with no html experience, while I help everyone with the php). This will add some more balance to the class, allowing me at times to move forward faster, and then others can explain the gist to their groups. So join us next Sunday (please RSVP) and get ready to dig into some intense hands on serious learning.

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I'd also like to thanks those that have contributed donations to help us with these classes. The donations have ranged from equipment we need, (chairs, a ramp, a router etc) to cash (for rent, other equipment), to helping me with technical explanations, to food (woohoo donuts, oranges). I'd even like to thank in advance those who will help create this FLOSS CMS. Adding software to the Free Software ecosystem is a large donation, as are all of the other donations, and all are greatly appreciated. It definitely helps make it easier for me to continue these workshops without charge.

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Finally, depending on when a couple of financial things hit, I'll be taking a weekend out of town in two or three weekends. So when that happens we'll either be pausing the workshops for that week, or I'll be having someone else let everyone in for an open forum discussion (though I will be available for short periods by phone or email).

* Content Management System.
** Free, Libre and Open Source Software

Kind Regards,
Aoirthoir An Broc The Pringles and Donuts Eater With The A&W Cream Soda After The Coca Cola Drinking Type Thing.




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