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Re: [webdesign-396] Friday Night Study Group at Panera in Rocky River - Hello everybody: Joni N. May 8, 2008 11:11 PM
Friday Night Study Group at Panera in Rocky River - Howdy Yens! The study group will be meeting for anyone that wishes to meet with us, at 6:15pm at the Panera on Center Ridge Road in Rocky River. We'll looking forward to anyone that wants to come *this won't be in a workshop format, Aoirthoir An B. May 8, 2008 9:40 PM
Some of you may have heard... - Greetings friends, family and distinguished colleagues, As most all of you know, I stand gainfully employed as the VP/Development with The Karcher Group, Inc. in the Canton area . You may also know that James G. May 8, 2008 3:39 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Stay Alive book - Google Product Search - book / bookmark................ almost the same thing... Joni N. May 6, 2008 11:16 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Stay Alive book - Google Product Search - I don't understand. Did you (Dave Van Horn) write one of those books? On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:01 PM, dave van horn wrote: > http://www.google.com/products?channel=s&client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=S > tay%20Alive%20book&rl Matt W. May 6, 2008 9:51 AM
Stay Alive book - Google Product Search - http://www.google.com/products­?channel=s&client=firefox-a&hl­=en&ie=UTF-8&q=S tay%20Alive%20book&rls=org.moz­illa:en-US:official&um=1 Ok, I'm a geek, but when you beat out Norman Vincent Peale on price, on Google, it's a fine day. A CWSA flunkie makes dave van h. May 5, 2008 2:01 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Tonights Novice HTML/CSS Study Group/Workshop - Aoirthoir An B. Apr 29, 2008 4:28 PM
NEOUPA Presents the Cleveland Web Standards Association: Standards Demystified - NEOUPA Presents the Cleveland Web Standards Association: Standards Demystified Designing and building with standards lowers costs of development, while delivering sites that are accessible to more people and more devices. So what exactly are th Beth D. Apr 29, 2008 3:54 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Tonights Novice HTML/CSS Study Group/Workshop - Chris J. Apr 23, 2008 4:35 PM
Tonights Novice HTML/CSS Study Group/Workshop - Howdy Yall! This is just a brief reminder that our workshop will be tonight at 6:30pm. Since most of us will miss dinner, we will be potentially ordering pizza. Anyone that would like some would need to bring a couple bucks contribution to the Aoirthoir An B. Apr 14, 2008 11:36 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Request for Folding Chairs for Novice Study Group... - Joe, I've already made arrangements for chairs, so disregard this email. Josh Walsh Sent f Josh W. Apr 6, 2008 12:16 PM
Request for Folding Chairs for Novice Study Group... - Last weeks's Novice Study Group was pretty well backed. While the room will hold more folks, we might have standing room only if more folks show up. And it looks like, based on the RSVPs, that this might be the case. So we will consider splitt Aoirthoir An B. Apr 6, 2008 12:01 PM
Novice Study Group RSVPs... - Please get your RSVPs in for the Novice Study Group by just stating so here: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/boards/view/viewthread?threa­d=4304859 Ma Aoirthoir An B. Apr 4, 2008 9:13 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Novice Study Group On Mondays (Please RSVP) - Be sure to iterate heavily the concept of "document flow" and "block level" vs. "inline" tags. These are the tags I use in my b James G. Apr 3, 2008 9:52 AM
Novice Study Group On Mondays (Please RSVP) - ------ This next week we will be continuing our review of HTML tags. We will have 3 HTML Tag Cheat Sheets available for study participants. 1. Commonly Used HTML Tags. 2. Table Tags. 3. Form Tags. (Suggestions for 1 a Aoirthoir An B. Apr 3, 2008 9:18 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Weekly Novice Study Group - Sorry again yall for the confusion. y Aoirthoir An B. Mar 27, 2008 4:54 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Weekly Novice Study Group - Due to an error on my part..I forgot Aoirthoir An B. Mar 27, 2008 3:12 PM
Weekly Novice Study Group - Howdy Yall! I've received quite a few emails about the status of our study group for Novice HTML and CSS design. I've held off updating while we were making our plans. So here they are... We are now going to be meeting each week on M Aoirthoir An B. Mar 27, 2008 1:16 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] <div><tag> support question - I hate to be the guy who sucks all the fun out of the room. But we shouldn't be using the email list to so Brad C. Mar 17, 2008 5:36 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] <div><tag> support question - Dave, Do you know if she used frontpage to create the page? If so go into edit source mode and just delete Thats it. If you want me to do it for you I can. Shawn --- dave van horn wrote: > Long ago a user 9. Mar 17, 2008 5:31 PM
<div><tag> support question - dave van h. Mar 17, 2008 4:24 PM
Bier Markt Party is Back On This Sat. 15th@ 4pm - Due to the crappy weather this weekend, Bier Markt/Bar Cento has let us have our RSVP for next week at the same time (4pm) in their Red Room. If your plans have changed as a result of the date change, be sure and RSVP! Hope you can make it! Tha Beth D. Mar 10, 2008 8:15 PM
Inclement Weather - Rescheduling Today's Event - Hi All, Cleveland Police and ODOT are urging people to stay off the roads today. We're supposed to get another 5 - 8 inches of snow. I'm canceling today's event, and have tentatively rescheduled for next week (just waiting on confirmation from the Bi Beth D. Mar 8, 2008 11:56 AM
Tonight's Novice Study Group (Inclement weather warning) - Please be aware that the study group will still be meeting at Presto's samich shop on the corner of Lorain Rd and 220th at 6pm. However, the weather is not fairly fit as it has been of late. The reason we are going to go ahead and meet anyhow, Aoirthoir An B. Mar 7, 2008 2:35 PM
CWSA Events - Howdy Yens! I might be off by a bit, perhaps Brad Colbow could verify for me, but I think we are put near 'bout a year old now! In that time, dang have we grown lots! From two folks (me an' Brad C.) meetin' at Rosco's in downtown Cleveland, to Aoirthoir An B. Mar 6, 2008 5:24 PM
Study Group Friday - Just a heads up for those that care to attend, we are having another study group this week. When and Where: Friday, February 29, 2008 at 6:00 PM Caribou Coffee, Rocky River , OH 44116 That's the one near the co Aoirthoir An B. Feb 28, 2008 2:56 PM
Meeting details changed: Ruby Something or Other (To Be Announced) - The date for Joe Fiorini's presentation on the Ruby Language and Ruby on Rails has changed from April 1rst to May 6th due to scheduling concerns. Thus we now need an April Presenter. We are looking for Volunteers. So if you have a presentation you would l Aoirthoir An B. Feb 27, 2008 4:21 PM
RSVP for Tuesday's Meeting - Just a reminder.... Our next presentation is on this coming Tuesday. A couple core team members have not RSVPed yay or Nay.. (Even one of the presenters....Ahem GRIN...) So Just a reminder to get yall's RSVPs in as soon as you can. The more we Aoirthoir An B. Feb 27, 2008 4:13 PM
The Business and the Tech Case for Standards - I've updated this meeting. For more details, see the full listing: http://webdesign.meetup. Aoirthoir An B. Feb 27, 2008 9:41 AM
meeting Sunday, Feb 17th ........... - Just wanted to say. I thought it was a great meeting. For those of you already Joni N. Feb 18, 2008 3:37 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] New Meeting: Nov2Int Study Group Meet and Greet - Ok no notes it was a brief meeting. Aoirthoir An B. Feb 18, 2008 9:31 AM
New Meeting: First Semi-Annual Convocation of the Benevolent & Protective Order of Markup - Announcing a new meeting for Cleveland Web Standards Association! What: First Semi-Annual Convocation of the Benevolent & Protective Order of Markup When: Saturday, March 8, 4:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find Beth D. Feb 17, 2008 9:45 AM
New Meeting: July Presentation (To Be Announced) - Announcing a new meeting for Cleveland Web Standards Association! What: July Presentation (To Be Announced) When: Tuesday, July 1, 7:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meeting Description: We have a Aoirthoir An B. Feb 15, 2008 11:21 PM
New Meeting: Ruby Something or Other (To Be Announced) - Announcing a new meeting for Cleveland Web Standards Association! What: Ruby Something or Other (To Be Announced) When: Tuesday, April 1, 7:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meeting Description: Apr Aoirthoir An B. Feb 15, 2008 11:17 PM
Meeting details changed: The Business and the Tech Case for Standards - I've updated this meeting. For more details, see the full listing: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/calendar/7272164/ When: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 7:00 PM Where: Tri-C Aoirthoir An B. Feb 15, 2008 9:34 PM
New Meeting: Nov2Int Study Group Meet and Greet - Announcing a new meeting for Cleveland Web Standards Association! What: Nov2Int Study Group Meet and Greet When: Sunday, February 17, 5:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Who should come: Anyone that Aoirthoir An B. Feb 15, 2008 9:21 PM
2008 and Beyond Reminder. - Just a reminder to everyone. We are trying to keep responses related to our 2008 and Beyond focused on the message board. We're trying to do this because some folks have had to turn off their email in order to not receive so many responses. With it being Aoirthoir An B. Feb 11, 2008 9:05 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA 2008 and Beyond (Copyrights and Licensing) - Hi, Joseph, everybody, By making any kind of legal assertion about the rights to what everybody posts/contributes here, you're opening up a really huge can of worms. First, the differences among the various licenses you talk about below are al ken Feb 11, 2008 8:09 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA 2008 and Beyond Link for the discussions. - http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/ Aoirthoir An B. Feb 7, 2008 9:45 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA 2008 and Beyond (Copyrights and Licensing) - Mr. Ken, Exactly. The creato Aoirthoir An B. Feb 7, 2008 9:34 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA 2008 and Beyond - On 02/06/[masked]:42 AM Joseph James Frantz wrote: > .... > > One note here, we have to have an understanding that content is > contributed under a Free License such as the GNU Free Documentation > License, or the Creative Commons Attribution Sha ken Feb 7, 2008 3:36 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA Chat (#CWSA on Freenode) - Stop filling up my inbox!!! :P Sorry I missed everyone last night. I wanted to show this off: http://chrishattery.blogspot.c­om/ For somereason, the CWSA Blog didn't pull it in like Chris H. Feb 6, 2008 10:47 AM
CWSA Chat (#CWSA on Freenode) - As mentioned in the last email, we now have a semi-official Chat room on freenode. I will be contacting them soon to make it official. If you already know how to use IRC just join #CWSA on freenode.net. If you have no experience wit Aoirthoir An B. Feb 6, 2008 10:09 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA 2008 and Beyond - sounds like it was a great meeting!? Al al w. Feb 6, 2008 9:50 AM
CWSA 2008 and Beyond - Howdy yens! Just a note before I get on with it... In order to keep folks mailboxes clear, please respond to this email here: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/messag Aoirthoir An B. Feb 6, 2008 9:42 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] The Bunny Lives! - He he, I can see you've been quite busy today. Thanks for the link! On Jan 22,[masked]:26 PM, Eric Meyer wrote: > At 5:43 PM [masked]/21/08, Joseph James Frantz wrote: > > >http://www.clevelandwebstandards.org/ > > Rawk. I Brad D. Jan 22, 2008 4:02 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] The Bunny Lives! - At 5:43 PM [masked]/21/08, Joseph James Frantz wrote: >http://www.clevelandwebstanda­rds.org/ Rawk. I linkblogged it this morning. Any other morning, I'd have done a full post, but today is... otherwise occupied. Tomorrow or Thursday I'll m Eric M. Jan 22, 2008 12:26 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] The Bunny Lives! - Heidi C. Jan 22, 2008 10:34 AM
RE: [webdesign-396] The Bunny Lives! - Nice! And I got pulled from there into RefreshCleveland.com Which was also a very good place to visit. That podcast made up my mind about attending next month' Brian L. Jan 21, 2008 6:56 PM
The Bunny Lives! - Greetings Members of the Cleveland Web Standards Association! Our long awaited website has gone live! Many thanks to Brad Dielman and Brendan Cullen, and all of the others that I don't know about yet, that worked hard in getting this up for us! Aoirthoir An B. Jan 21, 2008 5:43 PM
Announcement: 2008 Direction Meeting of the CWSA - I've updated this event. For more details, see the full listing: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/calendar/7124837/ When: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 7:00 PM Where: Tri- Aoirthoir An B. Jan 20, 2008 8:50 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Fw: January is the time to grow your Meetup - Brad C. Jan 18, 2008 4:51 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Fw: January is the time to grow your Meetup - I dont know I think this should be our shirt! https://store.happywebbies.com­/product/eric_meyer/ On Jan 16,[masked]:02 PM, Chris Hattery < Cameron Jan 18, 2008 3:07 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Fw: January is the time to grow your Meetup - Can we get this in black? I like black with red lettering. White is gay. It would end up as my undershirt. Joseph James Frantz <[address removed]> wrote: Chris H. Jan 16, 2008 1:02 PM
Fw: January is the time to grow your Meetup - Holy cow yens! It is funny that t Aoirthoir An B. Jan 16, 2008 4:42 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Next meetup This Tuesday - Unfortunately I will be in Al's class on tuesdays preparing to graduate so I will not be able to attend many of the meet ups, which really is sad since this has become the highlight of my month. I will try to convince Al to let me sneak out early to c Cameron Jan 14, 2008 2:44 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Next meetup This Tuesday - To anyone venturing out to Tri-C West for the first time: There is NO easy way to get there, al w. Jan 14, 2008 8:46 AM
Next meetup This Tuesday - Howdy Yens! It was a spantabulous year last year with yens, and hopin to make next year bout the same or better. First off the Holiday Party was just great. We all met some of the spouses, ate, drank, played video games. Apparently Aoirthoir An B. Jan 14, 2008 2:29 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Event details changed:Still waiting for info on the date...soooooo... - Just to let everyone know, I've been in contact with Al Wasco of Tri-C and he's is looking into a few dates in mid-January for us. I would like to keep it at the College if at all possible, if for no other reason than the ability to hear each other spe Brad D. Dec 31, 2007 3:20 PM
Event details changed:Still waiting for info on the date...soooooo... - We're still not sure where or when yet. Trying to see what we can arrange. Worst case we will fall back to Impulse at the Holiday Inn..in which case expect it to be mostly socializing. I will be out of town as of tomorrow afternoon. But of cour Aoirthoir An B. Dec 31, 2007 3:13 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Your Standard Holiday Party is Tomorrow - i'm sure it's gonna be a great party... family stuff will keep me from being there, but i want to wish everyone in the group a very happy new year al w. Dec 28, 2007 12:01 PM
Your Standard Holiday Party is Tomorrow - Just a quick note to remind everyone that the party is tomorrow at Dave and Busters. Info can be found here: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/calendar/6903840/ It is a P Aoirthoir An B. Dec 28, 2007 11:50 AM
Regarding the 8th meetup... - Alright, we're not sure if that's when it is going to be held, or even where at this point. We are trying to get all of this arranged. At the moment Tri-C is kind of full, so we have to see if we are able to swing it there, on their schedule. Chances are Aoirthoir An B. Dec 26, 2007 11:08 AM
Event details changed: Your Standard Holiday Party [[ADDRESS CORRECTION]] - I apologize, I had given the wrong address for our Holiday Party. So I've updated with the correct Zip Code....all should be well now. Dont forget to RSVP if you are coming or even if you arent, so we know who to look out for. Many Aoirthoir An B. Dec 17, 2007 12:59 PM
Last chance to vote (Holiday Party) - A handful of votes are in and so I'm getting ready to close the poll tomorrow. The plans stand now basically like this... We will be having the party at D&B's in Westlake. Official start time is 7pm. But dinner will begin about 5 to 6pm. We'll just p Aoirthoir An B. Dec 15, 2007 10:47 AM
New Event: Your Standard Holiday Party - Announcing a new event for Cleveland Web Standards Association! What: Your Standard Holiday Party When: Saturday, December 29, 7:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Event Description: The exact detail Aoirthoir An B. Dec 12, 2007 9:09 PM
Poll soon to close, so I can make arrangements for our Party - Alright yall we have had some good re Aoirthoir An B. Dec 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Event details changed: Cleveland Web Standards Association January Meetup - I've updated this event. For more details, see the full listing: http://webdesign.meetup.com/39­6/calendar/6899803/ When: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 at 7:00 PM Where: Unkno Aoirthoir An B. Dec 12, 2007 12:21 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Our Holiday Party Info Date: Saturday December 29th at sometime pm - Poll closed.....The date has been set Aoirthoir An B. Dec 11, 2007 9:42 AM
Our Holiday Party Info - Alright it is last call for the poll to decide what day you want our party...GO here: This is the last call..this poll will close at midnight tonight (the other remains open for a bit longer) Aoirthoir An B. Dec 10, 2007 7:11 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Your Standard Holiday Party - Hey everyone, for some reason the pol Aoirthoir An B. Dec 7, 2007 6:46 PM
Your Standard Holiday Party - Um, I have a poll set up for figuring out the date of the party.....please fill it out as soon as you can cause I think i should close the thing on like Monday..to give me time to figure out where and when and how many cases of Guinness I have to buy. The Aoirthoir An B. Dec 7, 2007 12:34 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] BOOYAH! - Ahhh, thanks Mr. Frantz. Now I think I've got it ;-) --- Joseph James Frantz wrote: > Mz. Shawn, > > Yes it does. Here is the thing, COBOL is one of the > very old programming languages. It is still in > exi user 9. Dec 5, 2007 1:53 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] BOOYAH! - Mz. Shawn, Yes it does. Here i Aoirthoir An B. Dec 5, 2007 1:45 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] BOOYAH! - I always thought the slang term BOOYAH implied something good was on the horizon..... --- Shawn Troy wrote: > That response confused me even more.... huh? > --- Joseph James Frantz > wrote: user 9. Dec 5, 2007 1:29 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] BOOYAH! - That response confused me even more.... huh? --- Joseph James Frantz wrote: > Mr. Dave.... > > The booyah is because this COBOL meetup is a sad day > for us members of the Cleveland Area COBOL Meetup > group. user 9. Dec 5, 2007 1:28 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] BOOYAH! - Mr. Dave.... The booyah is bec Aoirthoir An B. Dec 5, 2007 1:19 PM
BOOYAH! - Ok this is a totally inappropriate (topic) post...but I had to share..cause HELLO! Michael Sommers just RSVPed 'Yes' for The Cleveland Area COBOL December Meetup and wrote the following comment: "Looking forward to t Aoirthoir An B. Dec 4, 2007 10:28 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Working Blog Aggregater ready for comments. - Hi Joe, I am still game :-) Can I just hook my laptop up to the projector? I'm never good at introductions but you could use the following... "David Mead has over twelve years of experience building websites and is currently the Director of E David M. Dec 2, 2007 8:54 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Working Blog Aggregater ready for comments. - Mr. David I'm just checkin Aoirthoir An B. Dec 2, 2007 8:41 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Dec 1 Meeting - dave van h. Nov 15, 2007 10:35 AM
Dec 1 Meeting - Good morning everyone! Just wanted to get a shout to everyone that is going to be coming to our next planning meeting (december 1). Or heck even those arent. Basically if you've ideas that you want to contribute to our site, or desires, see Mr. Aoirthoir An B. Nov 15, 2007 9:10 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA: Nov. 6 "Hello my name is..." video is now on-line - body { font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000} Joe, I don't you (yes, you) could ever look like that much of a freak! Not even if you decided to shave half your head. Joe F. Nov 11, 2007 10:57 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA: Nov. 6 "Hello my name is..." video is now on-line - I didnt know the video was going to b Aoirthoir An B. Nov 11, 2007 10:10 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] CWSA: Nov. 6 "Hello my name is..." video is now on-line - That was fun... Eric Wiley <[address removed]> wrote: Hello all, Chris H. Nov 11, 2007 9:54 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Working Blog Aggregater ready for comments. - Sorry Mr. David, not sure how any of Aoirthoir An B. Nov 5, 2007 4:11 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Working Blog Aggregater ready for comments. - Hi Joe, Is there an RSS feed for this page? Cheers, Dave On Sep 18,[masked]:38 AM, Joseph James Frantz wrote: > Thanks again to Brendan for his helpful suggestions (to use simplepie) I've > finally got a s David M. Nov 5, 2007 3:57 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] BlogWorld Expo Preivew Event - dave van h. Oct 31, 2007 1:35 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - dave van h. Oct 31, 2007 1:19 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Vince, Vince, Vince-meister! You da man...Evolved Cyber Renaissance Hacker.... Here's a standard for you.... and all our friends... 802.11 If that hasn't been world changing.... nothing has. Loved the Franklin Planner bit.... Still it doesn't dave van h. Oct 31, 2007 1:09 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - dave van h. Oct 31, 2007 12:55 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] BlogWorld Expo Preivew Event - I dont get off until six, so it is a Aoirthoir An B. Oct 31, 2007 9:16 AM
BlogWorld Expo Preivew Event - body { font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000} All, Clevleand has a couple bloggers going to the BlogWorld Expo in Vegas. This is the biggest blogging convention Joe F. Oct 31, 2007 7:57 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - On 10/30/07, Brad Dielman wrote: > On 10/30/07, Vince Frantz wrote: > > > > On Oct 30, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Kira Hennessey wrote: > > > > > Innovation Comes Standard. > > > > > > WOW - I love this one. > > Dana Oct 31, 2007 12:10 AM
Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Hi, My name is Mo and I have been getting email from your group. I have no web experience. I was interested in this group because I wanted to learn about building website as easy as possible. My question is would I get that kind of experience being a memb Mo Oct 30, 2007 10:42 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Except it sounds like a lexus ad. On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:17 PM, dave van horn wrote: > Yeah...THAT is good. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On > Behalf > Of Vince Frantz > Sent Chris R. Oct 30, 2007 7:23 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Yeah...THAT is good. -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Vince Frantz Sent: Tuesday, October 30,[masked]:26 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slog dave van h. Oct 30, 2007 7:17 PM
Re: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Preview not available Vince F. Oct 30, 2007 6:27 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] New Event: Plan our website Stage 3 - dave van h. Oct 30, 2007 6:26 PM
RE: [webdesign-396] Re: Slogan - Vince... You know I love ya man? Right!?! -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Vince Frantz Sent: Tuesday, October 30,[masked]:52 AM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [ dave van h. Oct 30, 2007 5:59 PM

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