Re: [atheists-27] Church grows

From: Don W.
Sent on: Friday, March 8, 2013 3:51 PM
I have been impressed with some fMRI brain scan research on the neurobilogy of our moral instincts.  There are two discrete systems that we use to articulate our notions of good and bad.  One will look at tha harm or benefit of any given action or category of behavior.  The other basically absorbs the rules of the particular tribe of that the person is a member of.
 
Joseph is right that atheists in general do not follow leaders.  We on average are weighing the harm and benefit of various options to find the moral good that we value.  That does not mean that we do not also have the neurological circuitry that evolved around tribal membership.  Obviously those who more emphasize the tribal side in their brain structure can and do figure out that there is no God.  Obviously they will more strongly want to feel the sense of community and connectedness that is built into their biology. 
 
Virtually everyone on this list also has this tribal based circuitry.  Frankly, looking at the research on happiness it is highly likely that all of us will be happier if we have a robust sense of connectedness with some set of other people.  What we don't want to do is throw away our critical thinking as we connect to others in a way that nurtures that happiness.
 
Don Wharton

From: Joseph B <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, March 8,[masked]:28 PM
Subject: Re: [atheists-27] Church grows

It's weird... while I get the idea behind it (the importance of camaraderie and shared group activities), from my experience, atheism attracts people who tend to be a bit.... anti-group/ anti-authoritarian. So for me, this is a bit like creating a high school pep rally for the goth kids. You have a format with a single "leader" at the front, who directs everyone to "follow along".... and then teaches you morality... "be more altruistic!"  

I think at the heart of atheism is the critical thinking, critical questioning component, and I'm not entirely sure if a "Church" format is the best method of doing that. Open round table formats would probably be better in my opinion. 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Norm <[address removed]> wrote:
Being an atheist doesn't mean much if one is going to following the doctrine that promotes so many ills in our society. If any group wants to simulate traditional church activities, they must first create "commandments" that are realistic and fluid.


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From: Chad <[address removed]>
To: atheists-27 <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Mar 8,[masked]:39 pm
Subject: Re: [atheists-27] Church grows

Yes, Dr. Shook gave an excellent presentation. I recommend watching his recorded debates on youtube or from his websites. Very sharp man.
Chad Albus

Chad <[address removed]> wrote:

When I hear of outwardly atheist christian ministers I think of atheists possibly believing in god and orthodox jews going jihad and demolishing the Wailing Wall to build a 7 Eleven. Makes perfect sense.
However, I do understand the comfort of community. Contrarily, it seems silly for a real atheist to gain anything from christian rituals. Modern medicine has many various effective treatments for such disorders.

Chad Albus

Don Wharton <[address removed]> wrote:

This is a clear trend.  A person commenting on the our Secular Perspectives blog said that all of the members of his church were atheists.  At least half the people in local Unitarian churches consider themselves atheists or humanists.  United Church of Christ congregations can also be very atheistic.  It sound like an oxymoron but there are Christian atheist preachers who are open about their opposition to anything supernatural.  They are atheists who have an appreciation for the Christian tradition and sense of community.  Obviously these people can be allies with us on almost any issue. 
 
John Shook gave an excellent presentation at CFI DC recently.  About half of Americans who say there is no God report that they have a religious affiliation.  They have an appreciation for the music, sense of community and perhaps shared action for social justice. 
 
Don Wharton

From: bruce <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Friday, March 8,[masked]:45 AM
Subject: [atheists-27] Church grows

Echoing with joyful song and with a congregation bent on leading better lives, this London church is like any other — except there’s no mention of God.
Britain’s atheist church is barely three months old but it already has more “worshippers” than can fit into its services, while more than 200 non-believers worldwide have contacted organisers to ask how they can set up their own branch.
Source: Raw Story . Read full article. (link)




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