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Re: [atheists-27] Ideology and Atheism

From: Don W.
Sent on: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:55 PM
I want to be very repsectful and supportive of Kurt's position on this.  Wider polling of atheism indicates that about 20% of atheists self-identify as conservatives.  My guess is this list would be more like a 90/10 ratio given the relative liberalism of our area and the way people self-select.  As I think I made clear I don't want group think of any sort on this list.  The diversity of sources of evidence is something that best serves our common good.  I have tea-party friends who I deeply enjoy.  One of them has a PhD in biology and they are rather respectful of evidence.
 
That said, our common community can and will be destroyed if there are not limits on ideological extremism of any form.  There was a radical unbalance of opinions posted where the majority was drowned out by one person.  My calculation is that we lost about 15 members in excess of what we should have lost because I tolerated that.  I am sorry that you dislike my analogy to the psychology of religion.  However, that analogy holds in far too many cases.  The 911TruthOut folks are another example of this.  It is utter nonsense.  However, for someone steeped in that subculture there is a total immunity to evidence.  Obviously, we would have to act if a 911TruthOuter likewise was dominating our list.
 
Don
 
 

From: Woody Lipinski <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, March 24,[masked]:32 AM
Subject: Re: [atheists-27] Ideology and Atheism

I have a similar position but disagree with "...atheism, or at least some manifestations of it, could be considered a religion as well. " Atheism is not manifestation of anything, otherwise it is not atheism but believe.  Your statement resembles for me a "philosophical" statement: "something must be".



On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Kurt <[address removed]> wrote:

I would just like to remind everyone that to be an atheist only denotes a disbelief in a supernatural god, and and that is it. The term "atheist" does not denote any other common characteristic, and it is in error to assume it does (or even worse, insist that it does or that is must, as seems to be the case here). 

I am very troubled by the slamming of "right wing ideology".

"Just because a given ideology is not reported to be a revelation from God does not mean that it does not have all the properties of a religion" - Well, with respect  yes, it does in fact lack the most critical element of religion - a belief in a God. If belief in a God is no longer an essential element of a religion, then atheism, or at least some manifestations of it, could be considered a religion as well. 

I have left wing beliefs, right wing beliefs, and some libertarian beliefs too. I very frequently, but not always, vote republican. If I am no longer welcome in this group because of that, then so be it .








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