Re: [atheists-27] Atheism is the next civil rights issue

From: Ken
Sent on: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:06 AM
..I've been a victim of witch hunt on which other individuals would join in ONLY because they thought it would somehow help their standing in the company or their careers somehow ..not because they had difference or opposed what they thought, I though or said.
...Complain about being discriminated against????? An atheist complaining about being discriminated against has about the same impact as a man saying he's been harrasses or raped by a woman. (I have nothing against and no offense to any woman) 

On another note is everyone aware of what's going on in Kentucky??

American Atheists have submitted a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court in a bid to overturn a Kentucky homeland security law which can send atheists to jail for up to 12 months for refusing to acknowledge "Almighty God."
Kentucky law states: "The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God as set forth in the public speeches and proclamations of American Presidents" Alter Net reported.
The law was sponsored by Tom Riner, a Baptist minister and Democratic representative. The New York Times reported Riner said: The church-state divide is not a line I see. What I do see is an attempt to separate America from its history of perceiving itself as a nation under God.”
Since the law first came onto the Kentucky statute in 2006 it has been challenged by American Atheists, overturned, and then reinstalled upon appeal. Now the American Atheists are once again hoping to overturn the law.
They have issued a press releasethat reads: "Acknowledge Almighty God’ or Go Directly to Jail. Everyday in Kentucky, due to a 2008 homeland security law, atheists and agnostics are potentially forced to assert that the public safety of their state is dependent on 'Almighty God' or face criminal charges, including up to 12 months in jail."

 The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) denied the American Atheists petition for writ of certiorari. This ends the case that was filed in the commonwealth of Kentucky. The decision does not affirm that the decision of the Kentucky Appeals Court is correct, but it results in the law not being overturned. This case was one of about 350 that were denied without comment.

American Atheists National Legal Director Edwin Kagin has indicated he will file a new case in federal court. He is currently seeking plaintiffs. If you are interested in being a plaintiff in the federal case, contact me at [address removed].


...complete shit

   

On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Ken <[address removed]> wrote:

Let me amend that last statement I made

 ..."D.C. Is a city full of programmed self involved self concerned bigots that will do anything or sell themselves out to no end to protect their material wealth and so called "social or professional standing".

    ...it's nice that Klim in the article you attached the link to was able to overcome what he did. The people in context to Klim were open enough to eventually accept him and I've lived in other parts of the country where this was the case. ...I'm just saying DC isn't one of those places.     
   

On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:40 

PM, Ken <[address removed]> wrote:

For the most part i'ld agree with you Matthew ..but it's something easier said than done ....I've lost jobs and been ostracized in DC over political/theological/philosophical bigotry. D.C. is a city of followers ..not "free thinkers"  

On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Mathew Goldstein <[address removed]> wrote:

I don't agree with that comment at all.  Atheists need to stop closeting themselves and speak as atheists against establishments of theism and reject the false accusation that by doing this they are placing themselves above others.

On Mar 27, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Don Wharton <[address removed]> wrote:

I fully agree with Mathew and Steifel on this.  We really do not have a single person in the House or the Senate who is willing to unambiguously say that they have no belief in the traditional notion of God.  Pete Stark said this and he lost with his next election.  Obviously, he had a long and very distinguished career and my guess is that he knew he was running a risk to come out as a non-theist.
 
This is the reason for my effort to organize the Secular Voter's Forum.  We need to increase the visibility of our secular community in the political process.   The comments underscores a basic problem with our community:
 
quote:
"It looks like they are just organizing and elevating themselves above everyone else for the purposes of spreading word of what they believe in. Which means my suspicions are confirmed, and the high Atheism community is kind of twisting itself into an organized religion. Which is kind of the biggest problem with religion in the first place, you get a few hundred million people together, patting each other on the back and confirming to each other that they are right ..."
 
The point is that we just don't do that.  In order to push back against the evil tribalism of the Christian right we need to find a better way to act together to puch back against those evils.  We do that to a profoundly minor extent.  We are just not tribal.  That will limit our ability to work for the common good where our respect for science and critical thinking will be the foundation of our political process.
 
I was listen to NPR today and someone was quoting the "One Nation Under God" on our money as proof that DOMA should be supported.  The mindless stupidity of this is endemic.
 
Don
 
 
 
From: Mathew Goldstein <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27,[masked]:10 AM
Subject: [atheists-27] Atheism is the next civil rights issue

I agree with this, Todd Steifel's perspective here is also my perspective.





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