I am guilty to stir the forum and make it more "interesting" for everyone, not only philosophy lovers. I took position in defending men who are expressing desire for a woman in a bad manners and immediately some people call them rapists, a story included a famous skeptic Shermer. But some "politically correct" did not like my position and one person attacked feminists in a very ugly way. It was in defence of me who can discuss necessity of the feminist's movement today in America or Europe. His idea was OK for me but his form was absolutely unacceptable.
We can continue to discuss necessity of "ethnos, gender, language, age, cult or whatever" movements by stopping generalization for all women or men.
In this area the current secular movement has very nice propositions and solutions by using reason and common sense.
"Today's incredibly sexist, misogynistic argument about women and sex"
If so why you do not start express your position but using something else not only adjectives? Why Rob and Dan tried defend you but you are silent and your reaction is leaving the group? When you will say something more you will find that secular people are the best you can meet today. I am not sexist or misogynistic but have very different view about men women relationship and ready to defend it in proper and civilized manners. I love my women (grandmother, mother, sisters, daughters, wives , etc.) who are always are and were good for me. I am against any discrimination and oppression of humans and extra women who are often (in the World history and today) treated very badly.