We're glad to have you back from
vacation. I knew going into this topic that there was a good chance
that it would be a toxic topic. There is a quasi-war in secularism
with the Freethought blog cluster being the center of the feminist
side and a cluster of MRA sites heaping massive visible vitriol on
them. Melody Hensley tells me that she has had to block 400 people.
The nonsense extends to death threats, rape threats, and an
incredible range of grotesque insults. Given her leadership with a
couple of women in secularism conferences, she had emerged as one of
the most visible leaders to be attacked.
One friend of mine warned me to stay
away from this topic because just touching on the topic will result
in the person getting caught in some very nasty crossfire. It took
me a while to figure out both that this is a topic that we must
address and to figure out that our community has the quality to get
through the initial wave of unpleasantness with our civility,
humanity and sanity intact.
I give a lot of credit to Rachel with
her thoughtful post of last Tuesday. She started out addressing
Woody in a very empathetic manner. She went on to tell a story that
would inspire all but the most extreme MRA types to have some
understanding and empathy for the position of women. Obviously this
is not something that I or any other man in our group could have
done. It was an extraordinary post and it really says something
about how our community (and any community for that matter) is
profoundly better off with wider diversity that can create such deeper
understanding. Thanks, Rachel!
Allison raised the financial issue with
feminism. It deserves further analysis and I will try to get to an
additional post on that in the next day or two.
From: Allison S. McDaniel <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, August 25,[masked]:58 AM
Subject: Re: [atheists-27] Re: feminism
I've been on vacation for the past 2 weeks and been away from email, so I'm just reading these posts. Sorry for the delay.
I'm thinking that Carl has had some trouble with women, maybe a nasty divorce or a bad relationship. I've realized that hating the opposite sex really doesn't get us anywhere. It just doesn't accomplish anything.
As a woman, I can say that what I would like to see is the opportunity for women to develop their talents and hold jobs in all fields just like men do. Some women may just want a family and not a career, others may be much more ambitious, just like men. I would really like to see the income gap close. Women on average earn only 70% of what men make in the same positions. Guys, think about taking 30% of your income over the course of 40 years and invest that money. What would you have when you are 65? This is what I'm missing. Did you know the biggest poverty group in the nation is single white women with children (as far as numbers go, not percents)?
Don't forget that a woman gave birth to you.
Vaginas bring forth life - your life.
A woman loved you and nurtured you while you were a child.
This can make a difference in the type of person you grew up to be.