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Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - I'd like to make this distinction at this time to further the point that secular values are better than religious ones: Derek Jul 6, 2015 4:28 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Add to that the irony of "god's loophole" and it comes full circle. On Jul 6,[masked]:18 PM, "Mark Sibert" < [address removed] > wrote: Devin C. Jul 6, 2015 2:51 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 2:23 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 2:18 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Mark: True, I feel in this regard I lucked out in the birth-lottery of religion.  To this day my parents (both still Baha'i's) don't question me much about my atheism, and at least the Baha'i's I used Jesse V. Jul 6, 2015 1:19 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Women in Secularism - Preview not available Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 12:08 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Women in Secularism - Well Mary, Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 12:00 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Jesse, I was raised on the Bible and the scri Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 11:06 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Climate Change - I was watching some YouTube videos on Methane Hydrates in the Artic and Siberian Steppes and it was quite alarming. Evidently, the IPCC didn' Jimmy G Jul 6, 2015 10:02 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Climate Change - Preview not available Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 9:37 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Climate Change - Preview not available Mark S. Jul 6, 2015 9:22 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Climate Change - @font-face{font-family:Calibri;­panose-1:[masked];} Thanks On July 6, 201 James G. Jul 6, 2015 1:02 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Climate Change - Jim (and others), Earlier this I had a solar energy p Don W. Jul 6, 2015 12:44 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Climate Change - As a gay man, and a beekeeper, I am terribly interested in both the topics of climate change and equal rights. I think that the seeming lack of inte James G. Jul 5, 2015 6:06 PM
Climate Change - 2014 was globally the hottest year on record. The begi Don W. Jul 5, 2015 12:44 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Climate change is a dispute over secularism even though the opposition is primarily in Mathew G. Jul 5, 2015 6:45 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Women in Secularism - Preview not available Don W. Jul 5, 2015 12:53 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Women in Secularism - Following up on my previous comment, it is sexist to assume that the situation of men is the default position and then wonder why women are different. On Saturday, July 4, 2015, Mary Bellamy < mary.k.bell Mary B. Jul 4, 2015 11:33 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Women in Secularism - Growing up in the church I remember the row of church widows. Their husbands were fishing or anywhere but at church. Thus, a beer bottle opener was referred to as a church key -- it opened what kept them company on Sunday mornings. I don't know that t Mary B. Jul 4, 2015 11:31 PM
Women in Secularism - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 11:12 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Don, I agree with you that the rise of secularism is partially based on the insane arguments put forth b Jimmy G Jul 4, 2015 10:40 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 7:50 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - As you know, people are complex machines, we do not choose who we are or what we do. What we want to do is avoid zero sum games where the los Mathew G. Jul 4, 2015 6:07 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - New legal mandates are different because they are new, not because they are unequal to pre-existing legal mandates. Respecting e Mathew G. Jul 4, 2015 5:41 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - If they have such sincere biblical views on marriage, then I'm confused as to why refusals to the issuance of marriage licenses for those who viola Jimmy G Jul 4, 2015 3:35 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 2:45 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - An enforcement delay accommodation for opponents of mixed gender marriage is unbalanced whe Mathew G. Jul 4, 2015 2:33 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 2:32 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Mathew,         I'm sympathetic to your point of view in part; however, when I juxtapose this situation with those that occur in the private sector everyday I think that 25 days is generous.  Many workers within Nathanial Jul 4, 2015 1:56 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - 25 days is better than 1 day. However, for those government employees who will surrender their employment because they refuse to carry out th Mathew G. Jul 4, 2015 12:46 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Almost all states are now performing same-gender marriages at the direction of the governors with the exception of Louisiana. The 25 day  Jimmy G Jul 4, 2015 11:28 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 10:28 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 10:05 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - I don't think that the government should make accommodation for those government employees whose job it is to carry out the secular law, but object Jimmy G Jul 4, 2015 8:38 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - There are two realities and they conflict. One is that this new mandate imposes only a minor burden on government employees who disagree and Mathew G. Jul 4, 2015 7:27 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 4, 2015 1:00 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - To make it easier for the Supreme Court to support a controversial new equal protection before the law claim it may better if they declared that go Mathew G. Jul 3, 2015 6:56 PM
Re: [atheists-27] purpose of life - My understanding is that Mathew G. Jul 3, 2015 5:12 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 3, 2015 3:53 PM
Re: [atheists-27] purpose of life - I have to agree with Alison on this one, D Bob Jul 3, 2015 3:18 PM
purpose of life - Hi Don, Thanks for responding to my email. I'm kind of surprised about your ideas about life's purpose. I do see the value in finding purpose and assigning purpose to our lives. For example, some individuals have decided that their purpose is making Allison S. M. Jul 3, 2015 3:11 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 3, 2015 2:03 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 3, 2015 11:52 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 3, 2015 12:34 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - What is it about the bible that intrigues people so? It seems so full of silliness and contradiction, what thinking person can take it seriously? Can someone please write a better book, or maybe an epic e-poem, to take its place in western s Jesse V. Jul 2, 2015 10:06 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 2, 2015 9:31 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - I won't be able to make the meet up as I have plans for the holiday weekend but there is a question I would be interested in posing to the discussion group. I had a shower thought about this myself when it comes Devin C. Jul 2, 2015 3:31 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Supreme Court on Marriage - Reading "between the lines" I get the impression that opponents of requiring mixed gender marriage are arguing from the perspective that sex is eth Mathew G. Jul 2, 2015 3:05 PM
Supreme Court on Marriage - Preview not available Don W. Jul 2, 2015 1:06 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 29, 2015 11:29 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Hello fellow atheists, Speaking of other creatures, here's a beauty. Was it a bad idea for this Loggerhead sea turtle to pull herself up out of the ocean last night, dig a hole in the sand with her flippers, lay 100 plus eggs, bury them in the sand, Allison S. M. Jun 28, 2015 8:27 AM
Re: [atheists-27] GLBT RIghts - Mathew I agree with your assessment. It's a little bit sad that 4 of the 9 judges voted against. Sometimes it takes just knowing, or Derek Jun 26, 2015 4:08 PM
Re: [atheists-27] GLBT RIghts - Mathew G. Jun 26, 2015 3:55 PM
Re: [atheists-27] GLBT RIghts - A victory for justice and secular values! On Jun 26, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Jimmy G < Derek Jun 26, 2015 3:41 PM
Re: [atheists-27] GLBT RIghts - Victory is sweet! Time to party! JIm Jimmy G Jun 26, 2015 3:11 PM
RE: [atheists-27] GLBT RIghts - Preview not available Don W. Jun 26, 2015 1:32 PM
GLBT RIghts - Preview not available Don W. Jun 26, 2015 11:49 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - I haven't read the encyclical, but it seems such a passage would require quite a long, illogical, and ill-advised segue. Yes, I would prefer if people listened more to an ex politician from Tennessee, who at least profe Jesse V. Jun 25, 2015 7:58 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 25, 2015 1:26 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - I'm not sure who I'd prefer having the influence, if it is between the Pope and Al Gore - probably Al Gore just because he is not the head of a huge religious institution. However I just came across Al Gore's views on religion. H Jesse V. Jun 24, 2015 10:54 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Yes, and it is there, where the encyclical pursues religious sources for making the argument, that it goes astray and goes places where someone lik Mathew G. Jun 24, 2015 2:52 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 24, 2015 12:03 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 24, 2015 11:19 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - I’ve been to India and agree whole-heartedly with you Tom Mark S. Jun 24, 2015 10:44 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Matt, I hope I didn't leave the impression I'd be OK with people getting their 'facts' from religion --- it was late and I guess I cut off my 'devil's advocate argument' a bit short as a consequence. Jesse V. Jun 24, 2015 8:51 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Jesse: Great categorization for religion with the ethos/pathos/logos criteria! I'v Derek Jun 24, 2015 5:35 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - On climate change Pope Francis didn't consult the C Mathew G. Jun 24, 2015 1:26 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Thanks for the welcome Don. Of course it is illogical for a religion to simply declare things to be the same that are obviously not.  As is all too apparent in the news, all religions do not agree, even within their own in Jesse V. Jun 24, 2015 12:26 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 23, 2015 10:36 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 23, 2015 9:58 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - There was a significant reform movement in the Roman Catholic church with Vatican II back in the 1960's. It developed and nurtured the Libera Jimmy G Jun 23, 2015 1:17 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Reforming old religious institutions from within is about as close to a hopeless task as is imaginable. Yes they change, and the changes are Mathew G. Jun 23, 2015 12:39 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Don, you make some good points. It is very difficult (socially) and futile for every atheist to take up an argumentative or ridiculing tone with the religious majority. I say majority, even though I find most people think about religion a l Jesse V. Jun 23, 2015 12:21 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 23, 2015 12:04 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - I'm a former Roman Catholic with family members who are still inside the church. Right now, there is a lot of dialogue going on about the fut Jimmy G Jun 23, 2015 11:21 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - You place the adjective "illiberal" in quotes so I want to comment on that. I say that the Vatican is very keen to promote themselves as comm Mathew G. Jun 23, 2015 9:52 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 23, 2015 1:16 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - The Vatican opposes all birth control devices, not only abortion, and supports large families with many children. They support satan and devi Mathew G. Jun 23, 2015 12:05 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - Preview not available Don W. Jun 22, 2015 11:10 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Bad Ideas - I've been to the Middle East, and hope that our country never becomes like that. But extremists on both sides are pulling us in that direction. Tom F. Jun 19, 2015 8:03 PM
Bad Ideas - I am one of about a million Facebook friends of Faisal Saeed Don W. Jun 19, 2015 4:19 PM
RE: [atheists-27] God Loves Uganda - Preview not available Don W. Jun 19, 2015 1:58 PM
Re: [atheists-27] God Loves Uganda - Hi all, This film is a good wake-up call on the impacts of the negative aspects of religion on population Jimmy G Jun 19, 2015 11:06 AM
God Loves Uganda - Preview not available Don W. Jun 18, 2015 9:13 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Microsoft Scam - I would mess w/ them a little bit and than probably go to the website under a virtual machine to see what it does. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Robert W Ahrens Jamie A Jun 11, 2015 6:07 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Microsoft Scam - As an IT professional, I've even gotten one, and my reply was something on the order of, "impossible. You cannot survey my computer from the Robert W A. Jun 11, 2015 3:03 PM
Recovering from Religion Hotline - It is a personal pleasure to share the following message from Emily Karp with you all. Don Wharton Hi. My name is Emily Karp. I recently attended my first Secular/Atheist/Agnostic/Human­ist in-person meetup, and it was a gr Don W. Jun 11, 2015 2:05 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Microsoft Scam - Preview not available Don W. Jun 11, 2015 12:25 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Here is my revised wording of an email you could send out. Is this acceptable? Emily Jun 11, 2015 1:42 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Microsoft Scam - Don, I had the same thing happen. They call and say that there is a problem with your computer and they need to gain access to it. They did call 4 or 5 times. I thought it was weird that Microsoft would call me. Things are changing. I recently dec Allison S. M. Jun 11, 2015 1:42 AM
Microsoft Scam - Preview not available Don W. Jun 11, 2015 1:32 AM
RE: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Preview not available Don W. Jun 11, 2015 12:50 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Tha nks, Alex! I'm not sure what you mean by outreach but we definitely are understanding of people who identify with a religion for cultural reasons while not believing in the theology of Emily Jun 9, 2015 9:35 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Lex Jun 9, 2015 3:52 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Hi Emily, I'm afraid I did not make it to the meeting last night, but I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about it / helping out. My contact info is in my sig. Serban Serban T. Jun 8, 2015 12:02 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - I' ll email you directly, Samantha, about some small tweaks I'd like to make to the letter before it is re-shared. But sure, of course you can. We would really appreciate that advertising! Emily Jun 8, 2015 11:48 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Emily, Do I have your permission to share this letter across all of the Washington Area Secular Humanist Meetups and Facebook pages? I know we have a lot of members who are looking for ways to give back. Sam Jun 8, 2015 11:40 AM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Don, you make a good point. We Emily Jun 7, 2015 6:05 PM
Re: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - Thanks, Lance! Y our financial contribution is definitely making a difference too. We really need that kind of help to keep things that Recovering from Religion does, such as the Hotline Project, ali Emily Jun 7, 2015 3:34 PM
RE: [atheists-27] Recovering from Religion: The Hotline Project needs more volunteers! - I have said that less than 1 in a hundred among the secular Don W. Jun 7, 2015 12:42 AM

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