MO: Loyalsock Trail (60 miles)

OK ... I'm revising this to do the Loyalock Trail in Pennsylvania.  I'll re-plan everything in the next day or so.

Get yer books and maps here.

Trip size is limited to ten.

Here's how this will work.  We'll meet and leave Grosvenor at 9am, Friday, 5/23.  I'm backing up the time so we can hopefully dodge some traffic.  We'll drive to the end of the trip (only four hours!).  There, we'll be met by a commercial shuttle, which will take us to the beginning of the trip.  There is a charge for the shuttle, but we'll be saving a lot compared to the longer drive to Lake Placid.

(Still arranging commercial shuttle.)

(The car situation remains unchanged.  My car and Matt's rental.)

We should be hiking in the afternoon.  We'll cover about 11 miles that evening and camp by Little Grandad Run.  Hopefully, Karan will walk in to join us.

Saturday morning, we'll be up to walk a good, strong day.  It seems we'd have options to camp at 17 miles for the day (mile 28) and 23 miles (mile 34).  Sunday, another full day.  There is a campsite at Toms Run (mile 50).  We'd finish up on Monday, and go in search of a pub.  We'd visit the Bullfrog, if it's open.  It wasn't last year. :(

So the splits might be[masked] or[masked]-9.  Three nights out.  That would be a good solid long weekend.  In some ways, it's more of classic DC UL trip.

Sound good?

 

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  • Mark

    Great time!...as always. Thx all!

    May 27

  • Michael M.

    3 · May 27

    • Iru

      Couldn't have captured it better!

      May 27

    • Iru

      Couldn't have captured it better!

      May 27

  • Hua D.

    Day #1: Loved! The merciless straight up hill, and the free shower. Day #2: Loved!! More merciless straight up hills with variation of features : muddy..rocky..rooty.. swampy..etc. Day 3: Loved!!! The endless waterfalls one after the other. Day 4: Specially loved!!!! Speedy out of the wilderness, and got belly full of "Creamy Marry". The Loyalsock Trail is in deed my favor trail, and after the 4 days, I am transformed to a "Green Monster" that even doctor can see from my colonoscopy...Haha. Love all you guys company, and special thanks to U-Turn for planning, organizing and leading the hike. See you all on the trail soon

    6 · May 26

    • Shannon

      You're all making my stomach queasy...

      1 · May 27

    • Iru

      More than the hummus-peanut butter-spinach mix?

      2 · May 27

  • Michael M.

    I've come back from some trips and said, "You know, I'm glad I did that, but I won't do it again." For this trip, I *know* I'm going to do it again. LT was a lovely trail, quintessential Pennsylvania, but with a measure of variety that few other PA trails, in my experience, can boast. And then there were the waterworks! One gorgeous waterfall after another. (Honestly, I'm a little sheepish that this one isn't in the book. It will be the 31st chapter, for sure.) To top it all off, we had an *excellent* group for this. Our splits were[masked], and everyone handled that pace with speed and skill. I'm a little in awe of how fit this group was! Chapeau to everyone! More pictures and a trip report later.

    6 · May 27

    • Hua D.

      Please do it again...

      2 · May 27

  • Shannon

    Great trip tho I'm pretty beat up and prob gonna take a sick day to commiserate over all the fun and painful miles. I'd like to do this one again, but starting with body closer to 100%.

    4 · May 27

    • Michael M.

      Rest up. Doing those two weekends back-to-back was decidedly non-trivial. That was more than 100 miles!

      1 · May 27

  • Iru

    Best trip si far from the ones I have done in the mid Atlantic regarding the place. Regarding the people as usual you are all incredible, I love meeting new DC ULers because I know I won't be disappointed! This group rocks!

    3 · May 27

  • A former member
    A former member

    What a wonderful time! Thank you everyone!!
    Shannon thanks for reminding me; "not that there's anything wrong with that"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...­
    Matt, as always I love the quips, hahaha!
    Hua your laugh and enthusiasm is such a joy. Iru, thanks for the excellent trail talk! Christy, ah Christy and her grazing-itus, hahaha! JK, always a treat to share the trail with you. Mark, so stoked to have finally met Mountain Slayer, enjoy some Pentagram- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...­ hahaha!!! And our fearless leader U-turn, once again, thank-you for pulling off another fabulous trip in short notice, it was SPECTACULAR!!!

    6 · May 26

    • Iru

      Totally agree with Ben, amazing trip, fantastic group, beautiful scenery and tons of miles (at least for me) thank you all guys for being so awesome!

      6 · May 26

  • Michael M.

    See you guys tomorrow at 10am! And Hua and Ben at 3pm!

    May 22

  • Michael M.

    On the way back, I propose we stop here ...

    http://www.abcbrew.com/brewpubs...­

    In Harrisburg. They are right on the way, and they are definitely open.

    May 22

  • Aileen

    I'm nursing a running injury I acquired this weekend. Hopefully TLC (and commonsense) will win the day. I'll get back with the group (with a yay or nay on my being able to put weight on it) on Wed.

    May 19

    • Michael M.

      We're sorry to hear that ... Rest up and feel better!

      May 21

    • Hua D.

      Hope a speedy recovery...!!

      May 21

  • A former member
    A former member

    My guidebook for the Loyalsock is now blue. I use blue sharpies to mark water sources on maps/guidebooks. Not sure why I even bothered,...it's a PA trail, which means water is everywhere;)

    May 20

    • Michael M.

      We might be swimming. The TT was really wet last weekend.

      1 · May 20

    • Mark (.

      We did the West Rim Trail lst weekend.. we wouldnt have had to carry water.. we could have just drank whenever we were thristy... water everywhere...

      2 · May 20

  • Mark

    Stoked! Willing to drive too.

    1 · May 19

    • Michael M.

      So, Matt ... With Hua and Ben driving independently, we have eight from Grosvenor. My car can seat four, and so can Mark's. So we can dispense with the rental car. So the overall cost would go down for our riders.

      May 20

    • Matt S.

      10-4. I'll call off the rental.

      May 20

  • Michael M.

    http://www.wunderground.com/q/z...­ ... Weather is looking better and better.

    1 · May 20

  • Michael M.

    @ Millie ... Please e-mail me if you're planning to attend this trip.

    May 19

    • Millie K.

      Sorry, Michael... I'm emailing you now!

      May 19

    • Michael M.

      I suspect we will have lows in the 40s at night, much like on the TT.

      May 19

    • A former member
      A former member

      I'd like a 40,...preferably something Billy D Williams endorsed.

      May 19

  • Michael M.

    OK, the shuttle is set up. It's $30 per person.

    1 · May 15

    • Hua D.

      Understood. Happy to help the family out!!

      1 · May 17

    • Michael M.

      It's not expensive if you factor in the cost of getting sufficient cars up there to do a full shuttle, or the time of doing a driver's only shuttle ... We're probably saving money, over all. Nine people would require six cars, possibly, assuming we could park three at the beginning. Commercial shuttles are waaaaay easier.

      May 19

  • Will

    Here are a bunch of GPX files for anyone who wants them: http://goo.gl/Wo1lSk­

    Sadly, my GPS died so I only recorded a few points and campsites. But there is a complete track I found somewhere online.

    On the second night, we camped a little short of it - but I marked a Vista and Camp - awesome site, but dry if I remember correctly so you'll need to tank up prior to it.

    May 16

    • Matt S.

      Thanks for the gpx files! I was able to pull together a good set of maps in All Trails using them.

      May 16

    • Will

      Cool! Luckily the LT is easy to follow except for a couple of turns where the they are rerouting. Just watch out for those red X's!

      May 16

  • Matt S.

    Ok, for those of you who may not be able to get the guide/maps in time I used one of the gpx files provided by Will to make maps in All Trails. I've upload two files. One is a map showing the entire route on one 11x17 sheet and it includes elevation profiles. If you print it out 2 sided the elevation profiles will be on the back of the map. The second is the route broken down into smaller segments on 8.5x11 sheets.

    Please note that the segments from the gpx tracks don't correspond to our splits and I used a topographic background and the trail markings on the background may not always correspond with the gpx track. Links below.

    http://files.meetup.com/1502009...­

    http://files.meetup.com/1502009...­

    May 16

  • Michael M.

    This map is okay:

    http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/cs/...­

    I have the full set.

    I realize time is short.

    May 16

    • Matt S.

      I should be receiving my guide/maps sometime between the 20th and 23rd, according to Amazon. If I have time this weekend I will put together a map in All Trails and post a PDF that folks can print out.

      2 · May 16

  • Iru

    There are also downloadble maps at http://www.midatlantichikes.com...­

    May 16

    • Iru

      Although it only shows a 22 Mile loop, I guess the only option will be then buying the map

      May 16

  • Aileen

    FYI: Standing Alerts

    NO FIRES are permitted anywhere on the LT from March 1 to May 25, and from October 1 to December 1.

    NO FIRES are permitted in the Haystacks Area at anytime.

    May 15

  • Michael M.

    All right ... I've delayed our departure time till 10am from Grosvenor. Less congestion. And Hua can meet us at the end at 3pm. We'll all take the commercial shuttle to the beginning. Matt can rent a smaller car, saving some money, and we'll save time on Monday. We'll still try to get the 11 miles in Friday night, but if not, no biggie.

    So, this is officially planned.

    1 · May 15

  • MikeVW

    Get in touch with John to see about arranging for the shuttle if you don't already have the contact info. There's not much of a trailhead at the southern end for cars.

    May 13

    • Will

      I remember very little space, might be able to squeeze in a car or two, but it'll be right on the road.

      May 15

    • Michael M.

      @ Hua ... Please note this.

      May 15

  • Michael M.

    The Bullfrog *says* it's open Memorial Day ... Of course, they don't remember shutting down last Memorial Day. :) I assured them they were!

    1 · May 15

    • Matt S.

      I did the Black Forest Trail over Labor Day weekend a couple years ago and everything in Williamsport other than a Dunkin Donuts seemed to be shut down on Labor Day.

      May 15

    • Michael M.

      LOL ... Yes, they said they shut on Labor Day, but I had my whole STS crew in downtown Williamsport on Memorial Day last year and everything was shut. I will call them again late next week. The Bullfrog really is worth visiting ... if it's open.

      May 15

  • Karan

    Won't be able to make it. Thanks for trying to accomodate me, Michael.

    May 14

  • A former member
    A former member

    Shoot! If I knew the ADK's trip was gonna be changed to some PA goodness, I would have tried to come! Good luck guys and gals!!!

    3 · May 13

  • Matt S.

    Here's a write up on the Loyalsock that ran in Backpacker a few years ago: http://www.backpacker.com/octob...­

    1 · May 13

  • Michael M.

    Also, a heads up ...

    http://northeastexplorer.com/wo...­

    /sigh ... I'll call the DEC on Monday, and see what they say. I may have to change the plan.

    May 13

    • Dave M.

      If it's gonna rain, don't rule out Standing Stone :)

      May 13

    • Michael M.

      Haha ... Sadist.

      May 13

  • Michael M.

    Matt has made a very nice pdf of the route I'm planning.

    http://files.meetup.com/1502009...­

    Including Redfield, but not Marshall, this is about 12,000 feet of gain and 12,000 loss, in two days backpacking. So, it's vertical.

    There are lots of options to skip things, if one wants, however.

    May 13

  • Michael M.

    The plan ... I love it when a plan comes togther ... http://www.meetup.com/DC-UL-Bac...­]

    May 12

  • Michael M.

    How many people are planning to rent a bear canister? If we rented at The Mountaineer (http://www.mountaineer.com/­), we could have dinner in Keen Velley, then drive directly to Heart Lake a little later.

    That would make sense.

    May 12

    • Aileen

      I'll have a canister by then. P.S. How many daily miles are you planning on?

      May 12

    • Michael M.

      Aileen, I'll have a good description to you in a few days. The miles won't be very long, but there will be a lot of gain.

      May 12

  • Mark (.

    Kim and I will be up there that weekend for the ADK Spring meeting to get our 46er certificates... We were thinking about doing either Algonqui Iroquis and Wright or Armstrong, Wolfjaws, Gothics and Sawteeth on Saturday, heading to Tmax and Topos for the night, and then doing a couple easy peaks before the banquet on Sunday....

    Depending on your final game plan, we may see you on the trail....

    May 8

    • Michael M.

      I'll get that final game plan, up shortly, though I think it's basically clear, at least in my head.

      1 · May 8

    • Michael M.

      Gratz on the 46er credit, BTW ... I hope to be there before too much longer.

      May 8

  • Michael M.

    OK ... Matt is renting a vehicle, and I'm driving. That should provide enough seats for the eight coming from DC.

    The expenses for both vehicles will be put in a pool and all the riders will divide the expenses between them.

    There is a chance Matt might have to back out. If that occurs, someone else will have to step up and deal with the rental. If no one does, well, then only my car will go, which reduce the number of people who can attend. I can seat just four. One spot is mine, and another belongs to Christy, as she's one of the Corsicans.

    May 8

    • Matt S.

      Ok, Shannon is making a reservation for a rental vehicle in the event that I can't go. Cost will probably be a little higher per person but still reasonable.

      May 8

    • Michael M.

      That's great!

      May 8

  • Michael M.

    Apart from me, is anyone else a confirmed driver?

    I can fit four people. Eight are going from DC.

    Matt, since you're willing, could you get a quote on a rental vehicle?

    I expect that the riders will help defer the costs of the drive.

    May 8

    • Shannon

      Can't think of a minivan or sport utility that will COMFORTABLY fit 7 folk for an extended drive, nevermind gear... if 2 vehicles, I think splitting all fuel, rental, toll costs of both between all attendees will be fair.

      May 8

    • Aileen

      And, there are discount options: AAA, AARP, gov't, etc

      May 8

  • Michael M.

    OK ... This is the route I'm working on ... Saturday: Wright, Algonquin, Iroquois, Boundary, sleep somewhere along Lake Colden or Opalescent River. Sunday: Cliff, Redfield (maybe, I already have it), Colden, Porter. We'd do a loop from Heart Lake, sleeping out three nights. That be would six or seven 46ers, and six new to me.

    Thoughts?

    Please remember that you will need bear canisters!

    May 7

    • Michael M.

      Ummm ... I don't have my map in front of me. There's a 46er I haven't done just east of the Marcy Dam backcountry site, on the way to Marcy. Oh right ... Porter is by Cascade ... I've done those two. Must be Phelps. Good catch. (I need to work on the route some. :))

      May 7

    • Shannon

      I have a counter assault bear keg and case, see rei site, so far just Iru and I sharing... but I think I went overboard, its freaking huge. May be able to get a 3rd persons stuff in there (just no avocados, oranges and coconuts; thing is 3lbs alone)

      May 8

  • Christy

    Do you think this could work instead of the can? Ursus Ultralite Bear Bag

    May 7

    • Matt S.

      DEC requires canisters in the area where we will be backpacking. From the research I've done I believe the rental model is the Garcia Backpackers Cache. Here are the specs: http://www.rei.com/pr...­

      2 · May 7

    • Michael M.

      For reference, rangers checked my canister twice in July. We were in compliance, thankfully. It is a much more tightly regulated area than what we're used to.

      1 · May 7

  • Millie K.

    Would love to join if any spots open up!

    April 30

    • Millie K.

      Yes, please! I come without a car as well sadly, but am happy to chip in for a rental and/or pitch in for gas with someone!

      April 30

    • Michael M.

      You are in!

      April 30

  • Christy

    Am I in your small vehicle too?

    April 28

    • Michael M.

      We could do that ... but ... Does no one else have a car they can drive? If we do have to resort to a rental, then we should probably all share that expense.

      1 · April 30

    • Matt S.

      If we do go the route of a rental I could get a minivan so we can fit everyone in one vehicle.

      April 30

  • Iru

    After this weekend trip with DCUL really looking forward to a four day backpacking trip! I'm game for Adirondacks if I can get a ride with someone from somewhere metro accessible on the DC area, willing to share gas cost and conversation :-)

    April 28

    • Aileen

      Can I snag a ride too? Hope my 'ick' that kept me from this week's trip is a distant memory by May...

      April 28

    • Michael M.

      Of course.

      April 28

  • A former member
    A former member

    sorry guys, cannot make it. one bus only go lake placid, will take me almost a hole day go there same back so will have to take almost 1 week of vacation not possible with gr20 coming :(

    April 24

  • Michael M.

    Max's +1 is Shelli. @ Julie ... I know you're not confirmed yet, but I wanted to hold your spot.

    MM

    April 18

    • JDH

      WoW, Lake Placid and the Adirondacks! Please explain 'Great Range Traverse'. BTW, I challenge one and all to ride the bob sled from the very top; pricey but worth the adrenaline rush!

      April 18

    • Michael M.

      A Great Range Traverse is a point-to-point route that goes from the TH near Keene Valley to the TH at Heart Lake, hitting Lower Wolfjaw, Upper Wolfjaw, Gothics, Armstrong, Saddleback, Basin, maybe Haystack, then Marcy, before descending. It is quite tough, but beautiful ...

      April 18

  • Matt S.

    Damn, I really want to get in on this but I don't think I can sneak away for both this and the TT section a couple weeks prior.

    April 18

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  • Michael M.
    Veteran Plus Member (3-2!@) (B-VI) (WFA) (U-Turn) ('15), Organizer
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  • Matt S.
    Veteran Plus Member (!) (Prius), Assistant Organizer
    Event Host
  • Mark
    Veteran Plus Member (Mountain Slayer) (2)
  • Christy
    Veteran Plus Member (Tree Hugger) (15)
  • Shannon
    Veteran Plus Member (!) (Maca Daddy)
  • Iru
    Veteran Plus Member (Mile Marker) (B-III) (15), Assistant Organizer
  • Hua D.
    Veteran Plus Member (2-2!@) (Blue Blazes)
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