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Fwd: Opportunities: Week of January 25, 2012 - Preview not available Eric M. Jan 25, 2012 11:01 PM
Sorry I'm so late this month {insert excuse} - Hi All, Sorry, I have been remiss in addressing the meeting for tomorrow night! Yikes. Have had flu, holidays and {insert other excuse}. I apologize. I have agree mickey b. Jan 10, 2012 10:28 PM
Reminder!! New location for tomorrow night's meeting. - Hi All, Just a reminder that the Durham Writers Group will be meeting at Susan's house tomorrow night at our usual time of 7pm. Need directions? Go to the meetup site and click 'map' ne mickey b. Dec 12, 2011 11:09 PM
Dec.'s Writer's Meeting has changed locale. - Hi All, As some may remember the high level of commerce at Barnes & Nobles has pushed us out of our normal venue, but Susan (from Bermuda) has graciously offered her home as the alternate Meetup site. We' mickey b. Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] Re: New Meetup: General write time and discussions - Hey, Ernest, You didn't do anything wrong.  No one else was signed up except for me, so I called them earlier today and cancelled the reservation.  I had some things to do at home today too so I chose to skip going and I didn't Eric M. Dec 5, 2011 3:19 PM
Re: New Meetup: General write time and discussions - Meetup body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} Ernest Dec 5, 2011 2:21 PM
Books, blogs & websites ~ Oh my! - Hi All, Wonderful meeting this Wednesday, so thanks to everyone who had been there & made it a learning & entertaining experience that we all got to share. ** Please note ** December's meeting WILL mickey b. Nov 11, 2011 7:43 PM
The month has flown by! Ready for Wednesday? - Hi All, Time once again for a break in the everyday lives we lead & time for some fun, growth and literary limb-stretching at Barnes & Noble this Wednesday. We do have a roster set with Jim Barrow, mickey b. Nov 7, 2011 9:48 PM
RE: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Please do not send anything to this address that is generated by a group address list. Thanks. jim -----Original Message----- From: "William L Stolley" [[address removed]] Date: 10/18/[masked]:35 PM To: [address removed] Subject user 1. Oct 19, 2011 3:26 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - please remove me from all mailing lists. thanks, jim gard -----Original Message----- From: "Jason R. Peters" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:01 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art user 1. Oct 18, 2011 4:32 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - please remove me from all mailing lists. thanks, jim gard -----Original Message----- From: "Jason R. Peters" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:01 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art user 1. Oct 18, 2011 4:32 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - please remove me from all mailing lists. thanks, jim gard -----Original Message----- From: "Penelope L. Mace" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:40 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art user 1. Oct 18, 2011 4:32 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - please remove me from all mailing lists. thanks, jim gard -----Original Message----- From: "James Maurice Alexander" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:16 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The ar user 1. Oct 18, 2011 4:31 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - please remove me from all mailing lists. thanks, jim gard -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Engelbach" [[address removed]] Date: 10/18/[masked]:39 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The user 1. Oct 18, 2011 4:29 PM
RE: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Well, that's funny coming from you, Jason. You hardly spo William L S. Oct 18, 2011 4:23 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - "I started this blog," thought Starbob . "It created multiple geniuses. I'll giv Robert E. Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - ... 80% James' Sign -----Original Message----- From: Jason R. Pete James Maurice A. Oct 17, 2011 10:15 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 17, 2011 8:40 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - For me, the critiquing process is more about making authors feel inadequate and horrified by their lack of talent and experience. The more personal, vicious, and unsympathetic I can make it, the better. I give myself 2 points for every flustered rebuttal, Jason R. P. Oct 17, 2011 6:54 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - With respect, Peter, who has read Ulysses cover to cover? I have a copy but I haven't and I suspect I'm not in the minority. So much for a critique of Ulysses. If the proliferation of pe Chris F. Oct 17, 2011 5:03 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Please delete my address from whatever is generating all this writer's group mail. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Maier" [[address removed]] Date: 10/16/[masked]:39 PM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: [Durh user 1. Oct 17, 2011 3:31 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Please delete my address from whatever is generating all this writer's group mail. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Penelope L. Mace" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:34 AM To: [address removed] Subject user 1. Oct 17, 2011 3:31 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Please delete my address from whatever is generating all this writer's group mail. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Jackson" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:35 AM To: [address removed] Subject: Re: user 1. Oct 17, 2011 3:30 PM
RE: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Please delete my address from whatever is generating all this writer's group mail. Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: "Anita Keith-Foust" [[address removed]] Date: 10/17/[masked]:35 AM To: [address removed] Sub user 1. Oct 17, 2011 3:30 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I think the email discussions have helped a lot to set the ground rules for critiquing and get everyone on the same p Robert E. Oct 17, 2011 2:22 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I can't speak for Steve Jobs or James Joyce, but I feel like pretty much everyone in this conversation values honest criticism or they wouldn't join a group like this in the first place. But that said, it eventually is up to the writer to decide w Bill F. Oct 17, 2011 2:18 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - And let's all keep in mind that Steve Jobs never took a market survey. Nor did most of the truly confident, great writers await or have the patience for popular approval ...or nodding critiques. Would 'Ulysses' pass the critique test? ------- Ron H. Oct 17, 2011 1:56 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Been there, done that. Now we're talking about whether a writer is ready to hear a reader's honest response to the writing. To me, be Ron J. Oct 17, 2011 1:05 PM
RE: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 17, 2011 11:41 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I LOVE this! Thanks Ron Beth Oct 17, 2011 11:41 AM
RE: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Anita K. Oct 17, 2011 11:33 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - One of the best take away messages I have ever got on a very rough manuscript with multiple characters was, "Whose st Janice Oct 17, 2011 10:38 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Been lurking in this conversation. Just a quick comment: For me, the most important thing you can do for a writer Ron J. Oct 17, 2011 10:28 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 17, 2011 7:34 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Great conversation!  Sorry I am just catching up to it now.  Eric On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Robert Engelbach < robertjenge Eric M. Oct 16, 2011 11:38 PM
Another great meeting! Thanks to all. - Hi All, Just wanted to say thanks to all 16 people who participated in our meeting tonight. When 3 out of 4 writers who were scheduled couldn't make it ... to have everything pull together at the last moment is exciting.&nb mickey b. Oct 12, 2011 11:35 PM
Flu going around ! 2 cancellations! - Hi All, Late notice for everyone but two of our readers are not able to make the meeting tonight so bring something to read (if you like) & we may be able to fit you in. Sorry for the late notice. mickey b. Oct 12, 2011 3:45 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Oops. Did I forget the illustration? Robert Engelbach robertjengelbach@yaho Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 6:53 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Oops. Did I forget the illustration? Robert Engelbach robertjengelbach@yaho Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 6:52 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Some of us older writers who are new to the craft want to learn to prepare to sit in the critiquee seat fully prepared.&nbs Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 6:45 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Preview not available user 4. Oct 10, 2011 3:50 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - LOL! You know what is great about this group and why it is nothing like the real world? We are 90% jerk free. I've see James Maurice A. Oct 10, 2011 3:11 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - All firearms need to be surrendered at the meeting hall entrance before engag Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 2:42 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - LOL!!!!!! :0 brilliant Beth Oct 10, 2011 2:36 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I sympathize with everyone. I had this problem on my secret planet Zynar that Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 2:24 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 10, 2011 1:26 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 10, 2011 11:24 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Incidentals: Grammar, Spelling, Typos, Formatting   My approach to reviewing grammar/spelling is identical to my reviewing characterization, prose, descritiption, pacing, plausibility: Jason R. P. Oct 10, 2011 11:22 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Thanks, Penelope, I agree, again. As you say, the piece has to stand or fall on its own. Rebuttals aren't necessary. All that's needed from the recipient at the end is thanks -- out loud from a place of real grati Chris F. Oct 10, 2011 11:19 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Penelope, you make a great point about author etiquette. A critique is not a dialogue. It's an answer to the question, "How can I make my work stronger?" In any situation in which you ask for advice, it's more productive to listen more t Bill F. Oct 10, 2011 11:17 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Interesting conversation here. Thanks for initiating it Robert. I agree with the general flow and I particularly go with Penelope's point of view. What I look for in a first draft critique is 1) is it interesting enough for you to want to read/hear mo Chris F. Oct 10, 2011 11:02 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 10, 2011 10:58 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Spelling and grammar is important, but I think that type of feedback is best delivered via email or hard-copy edits. A group critique session should be used for story, character, plot, etc. That's not to say grammar isn't important, but they haven Bill F. Oct 10, 2011 10:49 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - It can be grating to have your typing get more attention than your story. But you logically need both to be in order. My B in Copy Editing this semester means I can only detect 80% of typographical err James Maurice A. Oct 10, 2011 10:40 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I do a lot of editing, and using proper grammar is a huge pet peeve of mine.  So any critique I give will probably include some grammatical corrections (though I'll respect the wishes of any author who doesn't want them).  W user 2. Oct 10, 2011 10:16 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I agree from the writers perspective that having to knitpick on grammar, etc. is annoying at such an early stage. On Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 9:40 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 10, 2011 8:50 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - I think one of the biggest problems I have critiquing my own or anyone else's work is when I honestly discover that t Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 7:21 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - James, Thanks. That was good personal advice in a nutshell. Robert E. Oct 10, 2011 7:14 AM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - James Maurice A. Oct 9, 2011 11:45 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - My person advice, be honest but don't be reductive or confrontational. Your job is to help fellow writers see what is/isn't working about their work, not to preach or suggest their intense family drama set James Maurice A. Oct 9, 2011 11:34 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - Hi, Go to DWG website under files Robert E. Oct 9, 2011 8:01 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] The art of critiquing - body{font-size:10pt;font-famil­y:arial,sans-serif;background-­color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{m­argin:0px;} user 1. Oct 9, 2011 3:05 PM
The art of critiquing - Hi all, I am new to writing groups. I am finding the DWG to be a w Robert E. Oct 9, 2011 1:11 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - Thank you. We will be out of town, at the beach, that day. Jim Gard -----Original Message----- From: "mickey baumer" [[address removed]] Date: 10/03/[masked]:26 PM To: [address removed] Subject: [Durham-Writers-Group] Meetup de user 1. Oct 4, 2011 6:05 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I have uploaded my submission. Peter Denton On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM, mickey baumer < [address removed] > wrote: Peter D. Oct 3, 2011 6:10 PM
Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - Hi all, We've filled the roster for now but bring something in your back pocket ~ if there's time we'll always have 'just one more.' I'll let you know when I know if the presenters have posted in the files section. mickey b. Oct 3, 2011 2:25 PM
Looking for our readers for next week. - Hi All, Whew! Time sure flies when you get as old as me! The October (11/12/11) meeting is only a week & 1/2 away. So far Jim is set to share his writing with us & we're looking for at least 2 m mickey b. Oct 2, 2011 1:38 PM
Re: [Durham-Writers-Group] September DWG Contest - Wow. Thanks for the accolades. Robert Engelbach robertjengelbach@yahoo Robert E. Sep 26, 2011 1:34 PM
September DWG Contest - Hi, everyone! Since only one person entered the contest this month there will not be a voting period. Even though our one entrant wins by default, his story is well worth reading. Robert Engelbach's story Feedback is about a telep Eric M. Sep 26, 2011 11:20 AM
Great meeting! & an apology. - Hi All, Wonderful meeting @ Barnes & Noble last night (09/14/11) & my thanks to all. Susan had some charming memoirs from growing up in Bermuda (now you don't hear that everyday), Robert presented his speculat mickey b. Sep 15, 2011 9:52 PM
We have our readers set for Wed. 9/14/11 - Hello All, Interesting meeting set up for Barnes & Noble this Wednesday. Several new voices, the continuation of a novel set in Jamaica & James & I will present some 100 word stories between the l mickey b. Sep 13, 2011 4:36 PM
Just around the corner... Wednesday night need reader! - Hi All, We had a truly wonderful meeting last month & I expect another one this Wednesday. So far we have 2 writers set to read & could use another (& a backup!!). If you'd like to share your work w/us p mickey b. Sep 11, 2011 9:01 PM
September DWG Members Only Contest - Preview not available Eric M. Aug 22, 2011 10:47 PM
Thank you, thank you & Tweet me - Hi everyone, I couldn't let the day go by without thanking all those who attended last night's meeting. It was great!! We heard more from published novelist, editor and all-around accomplished writer Chris Forsyth, mickey b. Aug 12, 2011 5:37 PM
14 and counting! - Hi all, Looks like a wonderful meeting of the Durham Writer's Group getting ready to happen tomorrow (Wed.) night at Barnes and Noble. We have at least 3 readers and some real diversity in what we'll be heari mickey b. Aug 9, 2011 10:28 PM
We're only a week away... who else is reading?? - Hi All, We're only a week (or less) away from our meeting at Barnes and Nobles and I have a confession.... aside from Chris reading from his novel, I don't recall who said they were ready to read. (Sheepishly he said) Could mickey b. Aug 4, 2011 8:06 PM
Re: [writers-498] A nice meeting to end the year. Thanks! - Chris F. Dec 9, 2010 7:01 AM
A nice meeting to end the year. Thanks! - Happy Holidays All!! Thanks to everyone for supporting the group's efforts to improve our writing skills and output. Personally, I am very grateful for all the real help that I have gotten from not only the people who have shown up in person, mickey b. Dec 8, 2010 11:21 PM
Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/DWG-Writ­ers/calendar/15426650/ When : Wednesday, December 8,[masked]:00 mickey b. Dec 7, 2010 7:47 PM
Stop me before I read again! This Wednesday's meeting. - Hi all, We have nearly a full slate for the Wednesday meeting at Barnes and Noble. I'm still waiting for our new members to post thier work for early review but... I'm delighted that we not only have new members but that they are going to share th mickey b. Dec 4, 2010 4:01 PM
Re: [writers-498] Meetup Cancelled: Online Meetup Group - - I'll survive the cancelation Rob. Better yet, if I stay focused, the time off from school could mean I might have a finished draft of my book before t James Maurice A. Dec 2, 2010 1:20 AM
Meetup Cancelled: Online Meetup Group - The holiday season is chugging along at full speed, and I, for one, have not had time to prepare anything. As only one other member has elected to attend, I'm cancelling the Online Meetup Group this time around. We'll pick up again after the new year. Jam user 1. Nov 30, 2010 6:58 PM
Meetup details changed: SF/F Group - Thinking of canceling the Dec. SF/F meetings, then starting back up in Jan once the holidays are over. What does everyone think? I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: Courtnie N. Nov 23, 2010 9:25 PM
Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/DWG-Writ­ers/calendar/15426650/ When : Wednesday, December 8,[masked]:00 PM mickey b. Nov 22, 2010 10:17 PM
Meetup details changed: The Durham Writers Meetup Group Monthly Meetup - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/DWG-Writ­ers/calendar/15426650/ When : Wednesday, December 8,[masked]:00 PM mickey b. Nov 21, 2010 3:46 PM
December's evening meeting... Do you have something to share? - Hi All, Well, another month has about gone by and, I don't know about you but I've been writing, writing, doing other things and writing some more. We have one writer/reader set and need two more and a back-up. We like to hear new mickey b. Nov 21, 2010 3:23 PM
New Meetup: Poetry Meeting - Announcing a new Meetup for The Durham Writers Meetup Group! What : Poetry Meeting When : Thursday, November 18,[masked]:00 PM Where : Hoi Amber C. Nov 11, 2010 9:34 AM
Thanks for a great meeting. - Hi everyone, My hat's off to all those who attended another great meeting at Barnes and Noble. If you haven't attended ... well, the talent at our meeting rivaled or surpassed most of writing skills that filled the tomes we were surrounded by mickey b. Nov 10, 2010 11:57 PM
Re: [writers-498] Tonight's Meeting. - Hi Mickey and all Writers planning to go tonight! I am regretting having to change my RSVP to No for tonight~~altho' look frd to returnin user 8. Nov 10, 2010 5:17 PM
Tonight's Meeting. - Hi All, Full slate for tonight, with some very good writers (and yours truly) presenting. If you haven't replied, there's still room. Just in case you happen to be in Barnes & Noble tonight, pull up a chair and listen in. mickey b. Nov 10, 2010 11:47 AM
Meetup details changed: Durham Writers Meetup Slate is Full - Hi All, We have a full slate again for next week and it's a great one. Three reader/writers and a back-up. Once again I encourage email comments on the work by those of us who can't make the in-person meeting. Thanks, Mickey mickey b. Nov 4, 2010 4:04 PM
Re: [writers-498] Meetup details changed: \Still need backup reader. - Chris F. Nov 4, 2010 1:47 PM
Meetup details changed: \Still need backup reader. - Hello All, We have our third reader/writer for next Wednesday, a new member, Brandy T. Still looking for a backup writer/reader. Both Brandy and Janet have promised to post the new stories several days before the meeting (at the latest! mickey b. Nov 4, 2010 10:55 AM
Sorry, last date wrong! - Sorry everyone I meant the meeting at Barnes & Noble on Wed. 11/10!! Yikes! Sorry! Also, Janet is our second reader, we still need one more and a backup/fourth Thanks, Sorry, Mickey mickey b. Oct 29, 2010 7:52 PM
The Meeting on November 9th. Paring down the list. - Hi Everyone, Time once again to set the lineup of reader/writers for the meeting at Barnes & Noble on Nov. 9, 2010. As always I ask that you post your work on the files section and let me know. Most of us get too ma mickey b. Oct 29, 2010 7:22 PM
New Meetup: Poetry Meeting - Announcing a new Meetup for The Durham Writers Meetup Group! What : Poetry Meeting When : Wednesday, November 3,[masked]:00 PM Where : Hoi Amber C. Oct 21, 2010 12:16 PM
Upcoming poetry meeting - Just wanted everybody to see that the next poetry meeting is next Wednesday, Ocotber 20th. If you write poetry and are looking for some support and feedback, you should check out the details of the meetup. Hope to see some people next week! Amb Amber C. Oct 15, 2010 5:23 PM
Thank you! - Hi, DWG members and organizers! Over the past year, I have been on a crazy, emotional, and stressful ride. I got separated, had my household income drop 90K, moved into an apartment, had my work hours change, and got a new girlfriend. My divo Eric M. Oct 15, 2010 10:56 AM
$10,000 Writers Grant - Hi, If you haven't heard about this... Check out the guidelines at www.ncarts.org/fellowships The North Carolina Arts Council will hold an information session for writers and literary translators interested in applyin mickey b. Oct 14, 2010 3:31 PM

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