Neg Theory

by Mystery

Girls who are natural 10s have a defense mechanism that is designed over time to get rid of the 15 men A DAY who approach them out of the blue. I have gone out with 10s and they have to deal with this as a part of their life. They are very good at getting rid of guys, usually without having to say "fuck off". This is a SHIELD that 10s have. 8s and under don't HAVE this shield because they didn't HAVE to develop it. When they dress down, people STOP hitting on them (not so with 10s - when you have a 10 body and face, even without makeup you are a 9!)

They have to deal with the daily barage of men and are used to it. So when you NEG them (remember it isn't an INSULT) it gets them going.

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An HB is there, surrounded by her friends. She has put on this BITCH act.

Is she REALLY a bitch? Unlikely. All my girlfriends were wonderful human beings. Beautiful people have it easier because they are beautiful and often times have better upbringings because of it.

BUT - she needs to have a standard when all these NOBODY guys approach her. So her values are very honed and understood. When a man walks up and says, "Can I buy you a beer" this WILL annoy her. While the guy thinks he's doing something nice for her, she gets this ALL the time. She is desensitized to this. You are the 8th guy TODAY!

So she is very good at brushing all these guys off. She HAS to be... she isn't going to sleep with ALL of them! So she may say NO, or act annoyed, and then the guy thinks she's a bitch and he walks off pissed, feeling like a failure. And that seems to work. Sometimes when the girl is particularly in a feeling of control (like in a club where she is PREPARED for the barrage of men - it IS after all something that occurs so often that when it is GONE she MISSES it) she will accept the beer and then flake the guy off. Hey, the guy is stupid enough to buy her one; she might as well take it.

When she accepts a beer from you, the girl is saying to you, "I don't know you and I don't care about you. You are just another one of those typical guys and since I don't respect you, I'll take the beer from you before I snub you."

Lovedrop: NOTICE the pattern that Mystery has described: AFC approaches and supplicates. HB snuffs him. AFC then gets angry at HB, perhaps insults her ("Bitch!"), then leaves, feeling like a failure. This is a pattern that is formed in the HB's mind through years of stupid guys approaches EVERY FUCKING DAY. Until you demonstrate otherwise, you are the same as any of those guys and she will do the same to YOU. You need to interrupt the pattern that she is accustomed to.

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Since an HB is so GOOD at snuffing your approach, SNUFFING THEM is important. You CANNOT INSULT them, because they are used to all the hurt guys INSULTING them ("ahh you are nothing but a bitch!") so this rolls off their back like water off a muskrat's ass.

How do you SNUFF them WITHOUT INSULTING them? Well, let's say she has long nails which are most likely fake. Now why do 10s dress so FINE if they don't want the attention? Sometimes they LOVE the feeling of control. They are in a club with friends and they want to be the leader of the circle (social hierarchy in primates) and so she gets all the attention. The guys come and buy drinks for them and she gets off on knocking the guys down. It's all in a day's play. Ok, so she is wearing fake nails to look even BETTER! Most guys will say, "Wow you are so beautiful!" BORING, typical, and in her mind by now, TRUE. Now imagine, a guy comes along and says "Nice nails. Are they real?" She will have to concede, "No, acrylic." And he says (like he didn't notice it was a put down), "Oh. (Pause) well I guess they still LOOK good." Then he turns his back to her.

What does this do to her? Well, he didn't treat her like shit and INSULT her. He complimented her, but the result was to target her insecurity. She thinks, "I'M HOT I'M BEAUTIFUL" - (especially in her current emotional state of control) - "but I didn't win this guy over. I'M SO GOOD at this. I'll just fix that little smear on my image that he has of me."

Then you continue to show disinterest in her looks as you give her a neutral topic like the Elvis script. During this time, her intention is to get you to become like all the other guys so she can feel in control and snuff you.

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Then you give her another NEG HIT like this: "Is that a hair piece? Well, its neat... what do you call this hairstyle? The waffle? :)" Smile and look at her to show her you are sincerely being funny and not insulting. You are pleasant but disinterested in her beauty.

This will intrigue her because she KNOWS guys. And this isn't normal. You must have really high taste, or be used to girls, or be married or something. These questions make her CURIOUS. So this keeps happening and is known as FLIRTING. She gives you little Negs and these tests are qualifiers. You pass them by Negging her back. After all, you aren't like the others showing interest. But...why?

To get control again, she says, "Will you buy me a drink?" Notice how she is trying to get you now! BUT, she only wants to sucker you in enough so she can SNUFF you. That is all she is about - this strategy is all she knows and it's not working for you so she is trying to do damage control on the situation. But at the same time she doesn't quite understand WHY you don't think she's "all that." After all, her nails ARE fake.

You say, "Ahhh, that's so funny ... your nose wiggles when you speak......" - (pointing and being cute) - "look there it goes again ... its so... quaint ... hheeeee look." She'll say, "Ahhh, stoppp!" :) *blush*. Now she is self-conscious and having her in this state is where you want her. You have, with 3 negs, successfully created INTEREST (curiosity) and removed her from her pedestal (removed her bitch shield.) You were humorous, you had a smile, you dress well, you are confident and everything she would want in a man.

You didn't take her shit. OH...and when she asked you for a beer, you said, "No. I don't buy girls drinks. But you can buy ME one." You are qualifying HER now. If she buys you a beer, this is symbolic of her RESPECT for you.

If not, you say, "Pleasure meeting you" [NOT sarcastically] and turn your back to her again. DON'T walk away, just turn your back. You are negging her again just when she thought she was negging YOU. That is teasing each other. That is the first step to flirting. This is all textbook psychology.

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A NEG is a qualifier. The girl is FAILING to meet your high expectations. It's not an insult, just a judgment call on your part. The better looking the girl, the more aggressive you must be with using negs. A 10 can get 3 negs up front, while an 8 gets only 1 or 2 over a longer time. You CAN go overboard if they think you are BETTER than them. You can drop the self-esteem right from under them (just like most 10s do to guys) and this isn't good. You have to get as close to the breaking point as you can without crossing the line. Once you have gotten her RIGHT THERE, you can start appreciating things about her (NEVER LOOKS.)

There is a mutual RESPECT now. Something most guys never get from the girl. This is how you remove a bitch shield. 3 negs ought to do it within 2 or 3 minutes of neutral chat. Once it is down, you can, from a place of mutual respect, seduce her.

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Dan Scorpio: In the UK we call it winding up or taking the piss & it's everyday currency over here used to take people down a peg or two - and it's not just reserved for women. I'm not sure what the actual term for the basic mechnism is (sarcasm?), but the behaviour has been around a long, long time:

This rudeness is sauce to his good wit;
Which gives men stomach to digest his words
With better appetite. (Shakespeare)


I think the crux of the problem of using the so-called 'neg hit' in seduction is to know just how far to go. It's easy to make an utterly scathing remark about anyone - but they may find it utterly offensive and probably react badly. The key is to make it playfully challenging (and elicit playful behaviour). The words 'only teasing' or such can be quickly inserted as a qualifier if you think you've gone over the top.

Negs are one of the very best verbal ways of inducing a state change. Very powerful - but they can backfire. I've used them plenty of times on knobheads (men) and actually been threatened with physical violence - those that have sociopathic tendencies refuse to change state. [They absolutely writhe when you say 'What's the matter with you, you got no fuckin sense of humour?' as a follow up.]

You can also get it with a woman if you hit too hard (she finds her friendly gorilla and says 'that guy over there said...') so be warned. Feel your way, don't be too heavy at first, smile as you plunge the knife in and excuse yourself/apologise if you get a bad reaction. Some people will not play: 95%+ love it - so learn, and discern.

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MrSex4uNYC: Think about the company you keep when you approach a girl in the street. Make sure your game is WAY above board because she has seen and heard it ALL... EVERY DAY. Guys have offered her more than you can offer her. Guys better looking than you have tried and failed. Guys with better bodies didn't get the pussy... make SURE your game is TIGHT! I have seen guys BETTER looking than me and WORSE looking than me hit on a chick. Looks will get you the interview, but if you can push her emotional states, THAT'S what seals the deal.


I walked into a store with her and passed 5 guys that were in there and she was actually walking behind me a couple of steps. I could SENSE that the guys became distracted from whatever they were looking for / doing and their attention IMMEDIATELY focused on her and they stopped talking. When I looked at their eyes, they were ALL looking behind me towards where she was. She felt it too and ran up next to me and grabbed my hand telling me what I already knew... that the guys were checking her out. I snickered and told her, "Don't worry about it."


DON'T think you are the first guy today or yesterday or this week or this month offering her WHATEVER you came there to offer her (sex, money, dinners, love, fantasies, a ride in your new lexus) just don't believe it. UNDERSTAND that you are one in a million and that whatever you are coming to say, you need to be congruent AND believe in yourself that you CAN do what you are about to tell her you are going to do for her and that she will WANT you to do it for her.

Chicks KNOW what you are coming to them for. They just want to see HOW you are going to run your game and what your personality is. Guys MAKE CONTACT with 10s all the time in SMALL yet obvious ways. Smiling and saying hi. Touching her hand when they give her her change at McDonalds. Asking her the time standing on the corner. Holding the door open for her. It is all over their faces that they want some of that pussy.

AFCs hit on women, whereas PUAs "have game."

If a girl kisses you on the cheek and goes to kiss your other cheek, tell her, "Only one ... don't be greedy."

If she says, "Yes, but I'm French", you reply, "Are all French girls as greedy as you?"

Or: "I heard the French invented lovemaking ... but us Germans perfected it."

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DeepBlue: A "neg" is a statement or action that somehow conveys the fact that you are "on her level". In other words, she may be a 10, a drop dead gorgeous super model, but instead of fawning all over her and trying to hit on her, you make some casual remark that shows you are completely at ease in her presence, that you aren't desperately trying to impress her or flatter her, but that on the contrary you are used to being around 10s.


To achieve this effect it is actually important that you NOT look like you're trying to put her down. Why? Because put downs are something she gets from guys who are needy for her approval and who therefore feel hurt when she flexes her bitch shield.

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Summary: Women who are 9s and 10s are used to compliments and insults: these don't affect them. Negs are backhanded compliments which highlight her insecurities and shortcomings. Negging makes you appear high status, a form of active disinterest and flirting that makes her seek your approval.

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