HyperEmpiria, New Frame, Getting Tipped, Favors

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Style: What is Hyper empiria?

LoveDrop: It's like, the more you read this newsgroup, the more you find yourself wanting to suck my dick. And the more you find yourself wanting to suck my dick, the more the excitement of that can start to grow, and build, and move through the surface of your skin, and the warmth of that can pulse...deep...down...inside. And the more you, think about it like that, the more a person can find herself able to, become more curious, and more intrigued. And the more intrigued you become, the more you want to read this newsgroup. And the more you read this newsgroup, the more you find yourself wanting to suck my dick.

DaJakester:
Hyperempiria - Hypnosis Awakened
The opposite of hypnosis. If you have ever been hypnotized, or if you have ever seen a traditional hypnotic induction, the hypnotist probably said something like this: "You can feel a heavy, relaxed feeling coming over you, and as that heavy, relaxed feeling gets stronger and stronger, you are going deeper and deeper, down, and down, and down. . . ." Now imagine what it feels like to experience an induction which leads you in the opposite direction, with suggestions of increased awareness, mind expansion, and enhanced alertness and sensitivity, with suggestions like: ". . . It's a wonderful feeling of release and liberation which you are experiencing now, as all of your vast, untapped potentials are becoming freed for their fullest possible functioning. . . ." That's hyperempiria!

LeoH: It is the use of hypnotic language to heighten sensory awareness and make you or your subject much more sensitive and perceptive. In a seduction context, hyperempiria is used to create vivid full-sensory experiences. In bed, it is used to create abnormally high levels of anticipation and heightened sensitivity, with the result being a multi-orgasmic experience she's never even thought possible before. Interesting, wouldn't you say?

GameMaster: Hyperemperia is basically this "the more you X the more you Y, and the more you Y the more Z". And it's very powerful.

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My New Frame

Style: I've noticed that my most successful sarges lately have been when I have the mindset that... "I am not trying to get anything from you. I am trying to give YOU what you want."

David Shade: Exactly.

Pilatus: Yeah, it has worked for me too.. when I just do my life-of-the-party stuff and don't care about any girl... I just have fun and don't care about what anyone thinks...

Violet Lotus: Even better, think about sarging as training for the future point in your life when you are PUA. But within that frame, you as a PUA will be giving women what they want. You'll just be much better at it than you are now.

Last night, I went to meet an HB I had sarged who I'm really into. She was drinking with another friend, who was turning 30. To make a long story short, I made myself the birthday girl's birthday present. The funny things is that, with this attitude, even her friends (including the HB who I know likes me and who I really like) were encouraging us to leave together, telling me "Please go home with her. Make her happy." So it became ME doing her a favor for her and her friends, and the obstacles became collaborators.

Violet Lotus: Good.

On a different topic, if I had better skills I could have pulled a Rick H. All three girls were ready. All three had fooled around with other girls before. I flirted with and kissed them all and made some joking suggestions (like proposing a faithful four-way relationship), but I just couldn't figure out how to include everyone. Any suggestions for tactics I could have used here?

Violet Lotus: I read this somewhere on the board and tried it. So dumb but direct and good. It works like a charm if the girls are adventurous: Propose a three/four/five-way kiss. Say something stupid, like: "You know, I've never seen a three-way kiss on TV or in a movie. So since I'm here with such lovely ladies, I figure this is the night to try it."

David Shade: Do what Rick H. did! After you kiss her, you make a presupposition that she is going to go home with you AND include the friends. Say to her (after you have kissed her of course, very important) "Hey, what do ya say we do something really exciting and you and I take your girl friends back to my place with us?"

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Getting Tipped

Style: I had to post this because it was so funny. Though I still have a lot to work on, I've really been on an unusually good roll lately. I just got tons of phone numbers over the last few weekends, and have slowly been harvesting them.

Last night, I went out with one HB, a 19 year old Hawaiian hiphop chick. All night, she kept saying how she "doesn't just give it out" and is looking for friends. I know that this just means that she gives it out, but eventually I got bored and didn't feel like pursuing, so I said I was tired and took her home. I knew that an older woman I had met (37 to be honest, but a great slender body) was out, so I called her and met her at a bar around the time of last call.

In keeping with my last post, I took on the attitude that I am doing her a favor by deciding to give her the pleasure and adventure that she wants. So I instantly came in with a boy-toy frame, and positioned myself as her boytoy for the night in a joking way. We went back to my house. She said she just wanted to talk, and said that nowadays she needs to have a long friendship before getting physical.

Adonis: You'll hear every line in the book... All of it what they THINK they should be like... how they think they need to behave... and appear. and more importantly what they THINK would satisfy them. The plain truth is that everyone has a "naughty" side... it's the "Shadow" that is repressed... that part of her where she keeps all of those dark forbidden desires... that place of "fantasy"... And the more that you repress it the more it starts to grow and the more that shadow grows, the more that tension builds... until one day it just spills over uncontrollably into other parts of your life in ways that you may not realize. (Hyper-emperic loop there) It all comes down to balance. I've had gals singing religious songs with me one minute and then fucking my brains out the next...

However, she said that in her younger days she slept around a bit. So, inspired by some of the posts here, I kept trying to bring out that younger girl, to make her answer questions from the point of view of that younger girl, and I kept doing the "naughty girl" jokes.

Adonis: What it seems you did was to bring out the "naughty schoolgirl" part of her... amp up that part... and THAT was who you seduced.

Anyway, a strange thing happened. As soon as we started to make out on the bed, she suddenly started role playing: she was a young naughty schoolgirl and I was a teacher seducing her. The naughty girl fully emerged. I'll spare you the details, but it was one of the most amazing first night experiences I've had. This is partly because of the role-playing frame, because we're both collaborating on this story of the corruption of a schoolgirl and there's only one place that this story can end. Thus, we didn't have to stop to talk or deal with any guilt or blocks, because it wasn't really us doing these naughty things.

Adonis: You know, this is another thing that I've been playing with. The idea of role-playing. It would work great with actresses and such and the gals that I have tried it on, although not actresses (playing the "seductress" and I even had one play a "porn star") were fully able to "act out" their roles with no guilt, hesitation, or second thoughts. It was like it wasn't "them" doing it... it was "someone else". Disassociation.

Another way that I've tried recently with success was getting a conservative gal to fully let go and bang my brains out by bringing out the "naughty girl" by first talking about it (Defining it/Making it REAL), and then having her "step in" to that part of her by saying, "Now what would it be like for you to just step in to this part of you... and to see the world through the eyes of this naughty girl?" "Now... what does this say about who you are NOW vs. who you were before? What kinds of things do you really want... what kinds of things do you think you should get?"

The best part was the next morning. She said she'd get breakfast, but she had no money. I paid the $25. Then she went to a cash machine, got out $40, and gave it to me. I asked her if she wanted change, and she said, "No, keep the rest as a tip for last night."

If a guy had said that to a girl, it would have been an insult. But for me to hear that as an ASFer, it's the best compliment ever.

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Favors

Vinnie: As I understand it, if you're already fucking a girl, it's "ok" to date and do favors. However, if she is holding out, one should withhold such favors but I want to know what is the best way to decline? For example, Girl calls in the middle of the night stranded, needing a ride or a jumpstart. helps no one if I were to say, "Since we're not in an intimate relationship, you should call triple A ...unless you want to take care of my jumper cable first"

Twitch: You have the right Idea. Before you accept, make a deal like: I will come get you IF you cook me dinner on Friday at your place, you have to be in the sexiest outfit you have, AND when I come to the door, say nothing, but you have to give me the best kiss you have. Do not compromise; if she still says no, well I hope she has a good walk. That is what I would do. Tone of voice and overall attitude of voice should have been a fun, play full and humorous one. I also assume that the girl that is calling is in the flirting stage and she knows that you are interested in her sexually.

Style: In my mind, the point of not supplicating is to not let yourself be manipulated. So, when you have to make a decision, ask yourself, "Am I being manipulated, used, or taken advantage of?" If the answer is no, then proceed. If yes, then decline and tease. In this particular case, it's not a favor--it's an emergency. Some PUAs say to stay away from girls when they're having negative emotions, because you don't want them to associate that with you. However, if I was in the situation you mention (which I assume is hypothetical), I'd help the girl. Why not be her knight in shining armor? Heroes may not buy dinner for damsels, but they do swoop in and save them from certain danger.

Contactus: No good deed goes unpunished. Don't fool yourself into thinking that her image of you will change by being her 'knight in shining armor.' The worst state you can put someone in is to think that they owe you something, without knowing what that something is before they enter into the agreement. By not immediately giving her a way to make it up to you, you are putting her in this state. If this girl usually has her stuff together, and it truly is an emergency, she either /really needs some help/ or she is /looking for an excuse/ to see you that late at night. I like Twitch's idea to handle this type... If this girl is usually pretty flakey with her life, then you are just another perceived AFC on her list of guys that will rush to her aid at her request. You gain nothing by being the guy that shows up except validate that you are just another one of those guys. If she is marginally attractive, she'll have lots of other AFCs to call on, and she will remember that you were something different. On supplicating, I can speak with authority. I mastered this skill in my AFC days... Looking back, I'd say you are on thin ice by running to her aid, but in some situations it might work if you keep yourself out of the supplicant list in her mind.

AH1: The PUA/Seductionist looks for and sees opportunity in everything. The idea in doing any seduction is not to be unwarrantedly cruel, but to create just the right emotions at just the right time. This chick is not asking you to supplicate in this instance. She's not asking you to come over and help her wash her car, or clean her house before she's fucked you. What she's asking for, in this instance, is legit, although taking your time about it won't hurt. But again, opportunity. Always look for the emotional opportunity. Certainly you can think of ways to make this situation even MORE melodramatic. So much of what we do--the impression we make on a chick--is NOT so much in our specific actions or particular deeds, but in our ATTITUDE when performing these things. Attitude comes first. Attitude ALWAYS comes first. Figure out a way that you can use any situation to your advantage. Always look for the emotional opportunity and how you might turn something into more than what it is on an emotional level. What position are you coming from in doing ANYTHING? It doesn't matter... chicks will always sense when you are doing something from a position of hunger or neediness. Further, chicks CAN often times very much sense when you do a particular action out of your FEAR than you will look like you're supplicating if you were to do the opposite. A brand-new bit of info you everyone to chew on there... as if there isn't enough. The solution is simple: if your position and attitude is in-line in everything you do, none of this will ever be or become a problem.

Spirit: I`ve been in a similar-ish situation to your example: Girl (HB10) who I took on as a temp and ended up sleeping with for quite a while called me one night distressed as her BF (ex-forces/oil rig worker) had left her in a bad area of town. Although I`d already slept with her so she wasn`t holding out in any way as such I didn`t really consider this to be an issue at the time. As far as I was concerned she was stuck in a bad situation and she`d called me for help. She could have probably phoned quite a few friends for help so I guess you could view it in a few different ways:


• She`d already been refused help from someone else
• She thought I was a sucker who would actually come out and help
• Out of everyone she knew - it was me she`d come to for help

...and so on, there are so many things/reasons why she phoned me. Anyways... I drove the 20-25 miles at 3am to pick her up. She was scared, upset, cold etc.. We drove back to my place chatting along the way - no patterns or asf stuff! To cut to the chase we got back to mine had sex, went to sleep, woke up in morning - did it again. So why did I go and pick her up? It wasn`t because I thought I might get a lay out of it and I didn`t question whether I was supplicating or not - I went because she genuinely needed help, I`ll probably get slated for saying this but it was the `right` thing to do. I`d rather not have slept with her again & have her view me as an AFC than wake up the next morning to read in the paper than she`d been raped, attacked, murdered. Some things are more important than just getting your dick wet!

MiCapitan: An amusing story about girls 'asking' for favors... A good looking girl who was taking an italian class in college asked a friend of mine, who is italian and also attends the same college, for help. He is the typical AFC, but he confessed to us that he'd definately wanted to date her (and lay her). He spends about an hour or two every week helping her with her italian homework and such. I don't know if he ever asked her out, but they never meet outside the tutorial sessions. A whole semester goes by. She passes her italian class, and then immediately informs my AFC friend that she "has a boyfriend". He was soooo floored... and woudln't stop complaining to his roomies about what a manipulate bitch she was. Moral of the story: DON'T SUPPLICATE!

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