LR: Manufacturing Chemistry, Lesbian Routine, Neg

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Style: Man, I have been having so much fun lately. And the advice in this NG has been great. When I think about how much more exciting going out has become since my AFC days, I'm in shock. So thanks to you all. That is, with the exception of Violet Lotus. (Dude, you should have returned my email and sarged with me in NY--you missed out on many good times and two amazing HB-loaded parties, like the one below.)

LESSONS LEARNED IN THIS FIELD REPORT: The importance of warming up, sometimes rules must be broken, messed up patterns/lines can still work, fractionating attention, making her uncomfortable in a good way, and the benefit of creating competition.

The night I got to NY, I met some friends at a bar party. It was still early, but there were lots of bored looking groups of HBs so I just dove in. I find that I always start with a rehearsed approach, but after a while I'm on a roll and not even aware of what I'm saying to open.

I #closed the only two girls I was interested in, but didn't plan on calling them because I had a lot of friends to see in NY. But the next day BOTH called ME. One was HBSmiles, a blonde in a low cut shirt. I don't even remember my opener with her, because it was very natural. I just turned around while I was flirting with two drunk chicks and started talking to her.

When I met HBSmiles the next night, there was just no vibe whatsoever. I had to try to keep from yawning. I was just going to eject and call someone else, but then I realized that I have the power to create that chemistry. I wanted to see a short hour-long theater thing, so I took her to that and just figured I could eject after if I wanted. As we sat, I matched my breathing, posture, laughter, everything to hers.

Afterwards, we went to get some food. It was a struggle to EV, but once I did and realized that she wanted a teacher to show her new things, I became that guy and everything lit up. I did Strawberry Fields, and totally failed because she didn't really understand that the field was supposed to be forbidden and off limits. But it worked anyway, because we started talking about sex. She said how she didn't sleep around, didn't have a lot of partners, needed a long time to get to know a guy, and all that. My instinct said "reject," but the new PUA inside said "we'll see about that." Then I hit her up with natural woman type patterns.

Then a funny thing happened. She said, "This is sort of a date, isn't it?"

I heard all the voices of this NG yelling "No!!!" So I tried to turn this into my advantage by making her think she'd just given me a SOI. So I said, "Well, I had thought we were going to just hang out, but it's interesting that you think it's turning into a date. I wonder what that means about us."

When the check came, I heard the voices in the NG yelling "No!" But sometimes rules have to be broken, because in certain cases you're just going to look cheap and stingy. I took care of it, and said, "This means that you're buying the drinks tonight (pause). And I'm very thirsty."

Now, I called a friend of mine--another blonde--to meet us at the bar. I'm really into introducing other HBs into the picture on a "date" lately, and it's been effective. (This way, the girl I'm sarging is confused about my interest in her, and I am now a challenge for her to compete for.) The blonde arrived with her sister, who was this hot Lisa Loeb looking girl, and her sister's husband. I sat between the blonde and HBSmiles. This was perfect: I could talk to HBSmiles, and then if she said something I didn't like or didn't respond right to kino, I could punish and talk to the blonde, leaving her cut off. And all night, HBSmiles kept buying me and her drinks. I joked that she was trying to get me drunk.

While I was alone with the blonde, she told me her sister and her husband had a joke that they can only cheat with mermaids and mermen. When the husband left the table, I leaned in and told the sister, "You know, I only have legs for the day (pause, laughter). Would you like to take advantage of this brief opportunity to make out?"

She said, "I guess this means that I'm allowed to make out." I gave eye contact, moved in real close, and then at the last minute backed out teasingly.

When HBSmiles came back, I decided to try a line I had learned from Ross J, I think. I said, "How good of a kisser do you think you are, on a scale of one to ten?" She answered "ten." And then, I froze. I couldn't remember the next part of the line (DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW THIS ONE?].

Ice Smooth: So if you were to kiss me right now, I would rate you a 10? Well then, lets find out.

So I just started talking about how it's really the connection and chemistry between two people that makes for the perfect kiss, that some people can be a bad kisser with one person (looking away) but an amazing kisser with the right person (sp), and then I talked about how I'd approach a mouth like hers (which was a little large). She suddenly changed the subject because she was getting uncomfortable, but I knew that it was a good kind of uncomfortable and meant that she was getting turned on.

A little later, I put my hand in hers, and she just started rubbing me all over with both her hands. She rubbed my hands, then traveled up my arm. So I went in for the kiss (with all my friends still at the table). And, yes, she was a ten. She said, "We should stop and continue this later." She actually future-paced me! From then on, I knew I didn't have anything to worry about. We made out again and I suggested leaving, but she said, "Let's get another drink first." I knew this was a good sign, because she knew she wanted to sleep with me but wanted to drink up the courage to do it.

I think my friends took this as their cue to leave. The husband walked outside and the two sisters were there. I was just tingling and giving off this sexual energy from the make out (and tipsy), so I kissed the blonde very well on the lips and then just tongued down the sister. I don't know what I was thinking, but when I was done she had this great expression on her face--surprised, but very pleasantly so. Normally, I wouldn't have done this, but when I'm in an altered state lately I have this amazing intuition about who in the room WANTS and NEEDS to be kissed.

So I drank up with HBSmiles, went back to the place I was staying, and had a really great night. And the whole time she kept future-pacing me about all the things we're going to do in bed on future hook-ups.

So thank you all again.

ExoticOptions: One thing that i find really interesting is how i feel you have your own method which sounds like a mix between Ross and Mystery's methods?


Style: Totally true. My attitude is: I try everything, and I keep what works for me. Right now, I use Mystery for approaches, entertainment, and group sets in clubs. However, part of that entertainment also involves using Ross-style NLP. Then I use Ross stuff when I'm alone with the HB. And, here again, I might throw in a Mystery line or two. I don't think they're mutually exclusive, and I think both are excellent and have some overlap. I'm also still learning, because they both have so much more to offer. I also add my own stuff: throwing in my own stories and using whatever else I have within my own personality that I know will be attractive and compelling.

Strangely, I was talking with a friend the other day, and the one thing I don't do is approaches that show immediate interest. In other words, I begin with a neutral, environmental, or funny story opener. Never with something that says flat out that I find her attractive and that we should meet for coffee to see if she has more to offer than just that. I like the idea of making our sudden attraction seem like an accident or coincidence of fate. What's your thoughts on this: openers that show you're trying to PU someone vs ones where you're just a cool interesting entertaining guy? I'm willing to try more direct openers...

I'm curious also on your group tactics..this is what i'm guessing you do, let me know if i guessed right: you use "unknown" openers/routines to start and keep conversation before moving into ss/pattern style seduction when one-on one?

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Lesbian Routine

Juggler: Approach a set of two straight looking girls and tell them you will use your psychic sense to tell them about themselves. Then tell them you see their auras are very closely intertwined. Say they are either lesbian lovers or just strongly attracted to each other. If you are right, they will be amazed. If you are wrong she will say, "I'm not a lesbian." Insist that you are rarely wrong. There must be something deep down inside her that even she does not know is there. She will again insist she is not a lesbian. You then smile wickedly and tell her to prove it.

Style: I did this in a mall yesterday. It was a fun approach, though it didn't really lead to anything. It may be better in a bar or club. The best was when two Asian girls said they were actually lesbians. I then suggested a faithful three-way relationship.


Juggler: I don't think I have ever used it anywhere but clubs. It's great that you tested it in a mall.

Kooper: Better ask if the two of them ever kissed each other (somehow most girls at least once kissed their best girlfriend (with tounge)). then ask if she ever kissed a girl/ever thought of kissing a girl/her girlfriend. Would be much easier to move on from there...

Matt: Had a girl last night me and a friend were chatting to in a pub and we pushed the conversation to her and her friend getting together. She talked a good game, telling us about all the famous women she would "love to do". When it came to the crunch she turned out to be all mouth, wonder.

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Neg

CJ: "wow, you wear a lot of makeup" or " you wear more makeup then most girls ive met"

Style: I prefer something more ambiguous, like: "Wow, you look like you spent a lot of time putting yourself together." Most HBS are always looking for the hidden insult in everything you
say about their appearance anyway...

Richard Morrell: Or my two personal favourites (delivered in a joking manner of course) "WHO dressed you? And why do they hate you so much?" "Just stand over there quietly and wait for your clothes to come back into fashion."

Jetman525: That strikes me as more of an insult... I'd reframe it thusly: Hey, your eye makeup looks pretty good, but why all the foundation? Well, you still look nice, anyway. Follows the 1-0-1 pattern.

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