Newbie Mission, Mixed Openers, Where From?

Christian Bones: I am a 35 year old RAFC. I have had two long-term relationships and got them the old fashioned AFC way. (don't know how, but when you're friends for a while, it kinda helps and you just ask them to be your girlfriend) I have always been a little shy (especially around women, not knowing what to say, carrying on a conversation, etc.) So I tried Svengali's Newbie Mission for a day and it worked wonders in helping me build my confidence. I'm learning quickly chicks are just that. CHICKS. Even just saying "Hi" to some of them is weird. Most are nice and say "Hi" back and some are just downright snobby. (maybe they're on "the rag", their cat died, whatever.) Anyways, the reason I am writing this is because I do want to get married (no sarcastic comments please :) That is my goal in using Fast Seduction)) and want to meet as many quality women as possible (from what I have learned here). No Lay Reports yet as I am still new at this (got some numbers) and am working on my next step (the Attract phase) and hopefully with my newfound knowledge I will get to the Close phase sooner rather than later. Anyways, thanks formhandle for a great site and even a Newbie at 35 can have success if you just TRY! TRY! TRY!

Juggler: Since you are looking for a woman to marry try this next. Write down all the ideal qualities you are looking for in a mate. Maybe: a good listener, likes travel, wants 3 kids, likes sex in the morning, etc.. whatever you desire. Now think up some routines on each topic - a funny story, a pattern, a game or anything that explores the topics in a way that is interesting to girls. Now, when you are talking with a girl bring these subjects up. Example:

You: "Where have you traveled?"

Her: "Only a little around Europe." (Blah answer. But no problem. You are ready to warm the subject up.)

You: "I just got back from the Galapagos. have you been? No. Well, the penguins there have the most interesting mating ritual..."

Her: That is so funny. I was in Scotland last year and....

Get it? You are entertaining while at the same time testing her to see if she can qualify for wife material. Keep in mind Juggler's 90-10 rule. That is, you must be prepared to provide 90 percent of the conversation at the beginning of an interaction with a woman until she is warmed up. If you go in and give 50%, expecting she will give 50% - like most conversations in the non-PU world, you will be disappointed. She will give only 10%. That adds up to 60%. Not enough and the conversation will stall and collapse. So be big enough for the both of you and then taper back as she gets warmed up.

LoveDrop: You need to do MYSTERY's newbie drill. Make 3 approaches per hour, 4 hours per night, 4 nights per week. Assuming a 30 day month, this is about 200 approaches per month. For each approach, say something to open ("hi" is fine), spend 10-20 minutes talking/attracting, then, based on her indicators of interest, you either close or eject. In your case, I'd say close every time anyway, just for the practice. It doesn't matter if you don't exactly know what to do...you will learn naturally. Plus this site has plenty of material on that topic for you to research. Don't worry, this drill will turn you into a machine.

What is the easiest approach? I've already gotten past the "hi" part. Do I compliment her on something she's wearing? or ask "How was your day today?" I have the F/M part down. The problem I have is attracting and carrying on the conversation after the initial "hi."

Style: Start a computer file. Make the following headings:


• OPENERS
• DEMONSTRATE VALUE
• ESTABLISH CONNECTION/RAPPORT
• PHASE SHIFT
• *CLOSE
• #CLOSE

(You can also make subheadings of NEGS and PATTERNS/SS.)


Christian Bones: I have already created the folders in my computer and am working on filling them up now.

Grab your favorite stuff, test out some of your own tactics, figure out your most interesting stories, and put whatever can work for you under each heading. Now you know exactly what to do, and how to escalate. Work on proceeding one step at a time, and come back here and seek advice for each sticking point. The secret, as you see, is sometimes simply knowing WHAT TO SAY/DO and WHEN TO SAY/DO IT.

MrMorg: The best approach IMO is making a humorous observance of the environment. some goofballs clothes, the bird that just shit on a car, the awesome meal you just ate, and try to lead it into an open ended question, not a "yes"/"no" question, avoid those at all cost. Then practice working in techniques.

NGarwood: I'm a newbie so take this with a grain of salt... I've found that "Hi" and "How're you doing?" are both fantastic ways to go nowhere really fast (if you're a newbie). The PUAs can claim that it's all attitude (and it *is*) but your attitude will never surface unless you have something to say. Commenting on the environment is good; an open ended question asking for her opinion is also good. In my limited newbie experience, I've found that in order to get to the point where "Hi" is all you need,you have to start with a more concrete plan.


Juggler: Yes you are right. However, the phrase you need to learn is, "How are you?" not "How are you doing."

"How are you?" is a great opener. But it is the follow up which makes it great.

You: "How are you?"

Her: "Fine."

You: "You know, it's kind of rude not to ask how I am after I asked how you are."

Her: "Okay, how are you?"

You: "I am wonderful. You would not believe what I have been doing today. Have you ever been involved in something really dangerous and after it was over you had an incredible high, as if you just had the most intense sex? Well today I..."

You have to be ready to deliver 90% of the conversation. If you look for that magic subject that will get her opening up and sharing with you her innermost desires you are going to be disappointed. Realize, you can take almost any opening and with creativity turn it into gold. Just remember that she will not give you help until you warm her up. Until then you are all alone.

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Mixed Set Openers

Style: Can anyone suggest good openers for approaching groups of girls and guys. Preferably it's an opener to use with the guys. It's gotta be one that doesn't make you seem gay, but at the same time demonstrates some value and leads into meeting the girls in the group.

Juggler:
• "It's interesting that when you have a group of four or more people together like this, the tallest always stands across from the shortest." - alter as needed.
• "Who are you people?"
• "Who is the leader here?" (They all point) Say playfully to leader, "What qualifies you to be in charge?" "Do you know what alpha means?"
• "Do you guys want to see a magic trick? Alright, close your eyes." (Take cute girl by the hand away from the group while everybody's eyes are closed. Do not return.)
• "You see that group over there? They said they are more fun than your group. Please prove to me they are mistaken."
• "Where have I seen you guys before? Were you at so and so's party? The one where the stripper gave a lap dance to the clown."
• "I bet I can use my Psychic powers to figure out how everybody knows each other. Mmmmm let's see. I am getting a vibe. Yes there it is. You are all members of the same nudist club. I can tell because you are very comfortable with each other but not comfortable with your clothes. (Whisper to girl) "Which guy is the biggest?" "Really, I would have never guessed. Of course it is what you do with it that counts. Which would you prefer? A guy with a big dick or a guy with a medium dick and five years of massage school?"
• "You should know you are standing on sacred Indian ground. The legend is that the Nodrogyar tribe used this very spot to sacrifice virgins. Where you are standing sir(point) is where the tribal women would prepare the honored girl by rubbing her bare body with scented oils..."
• Approach one group member. Make friends. get that person to introduce you to everybody else.
• "You guys aren't a bad looking group but you could be better if you applied some Feng Shui.
• "Hi, I'm CPowles10" (Shake the hands of those closest to you - but not everyone) "So what are you guys talking about?" Do this right and they will all presume you know someone else in the group. If you get called on it you just look like a bold confident man.
• "Okay, who's been naughty and who's been nice?"

Conclusion: It's all in the attitude. You can say almost anything as long as you are fun, interesting and bold. They will respect that.

Alessandro: ALWAYS: Dis the girls and ask the guys for confirmation. You already have a rapport with the guys, you are a man like them, so don't make it an obvious male competition, more like "Us vs Them", make them side with you and attack the chicks. Be careful, some "guys" are actually severed by AFCdom and are actually gays or approaching. Don't talk to those. But if you think he is a sociable normal man, then go like this, for example: "Hahahaha, did you see what she did? dude, i think these girls are crazy, why do they always do .... "If he doesn't join you to bash them, be warned, he might be a sensitive fruity. Cut him one more slack, and see if he comes forth: "Oh my my, I mean, when was the last time you saw a guy do ... this is funny .... and they call us ..." Incidentally, you can act like the "testing" authority, where you signal him in advance before you approach the group, to let him know you are friendly, then act like you are "testing" one of the girls (think IQ test) Just tab him in the back and go straight to the girls you want. Ask the questions you want, and whenever they answer you, nod at the guy(s), like "i told you so". Make the whole thing, like you are proving a point to the guys, and just "testing" the girls. If you wanna make it a drama, tell the guys "not to help them" just before you ask the question. Girls are good at playing dumb and childish, and they will play this role at the slightest chance or playful competition, and they love riddles. I actually extracted a girl like this, and gave her all the attention in the world later on, and actually took her seriously. The contrast between my public and private behavior was enough SOI, and she figured I was there all along just to PU her, boy did she reward me.

LoveDrop: If it's one girl with many guys, try asking "What's so great about her?"

• Negs her.
• Gets all the guys to start supplicating to her.

Haa! Also I suppose this could work in various other group types as well.

Richard Morrell: Count the number of people in the group(say N). Say out loud "Don't you guys know that 'N' is an unlucky number?" Then add "Good thing I'm here otherwise you would all be cursed to damnation."

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Where Are You From?

Anonymous: As common as can be, this question I am been asked by basically all of the people I enter in contact in North America. I consider that this question is a very disarming tactic used by chicks, in special, a very efficient way for them to find out if you have a good social position at all. I can actually tell how a chick is seeing me from a relationship point of view, by just how soon she would ask me this above question.It's very similar to "I have a boyfriend" tactic, really. Does any of you have any tips, suggestions to overcome this barrier. I used to think that if I would say:" I am not telling where I am from", it would solve the problem.Instead, the chicks will keep on asking me on and on and on till they will finally find out where I am from and that would be most of the time the end.

P.S. Just a reminder, 95-100% of the chicks have asked me this question. I don't know what is so wrong with the east European country where I am from, but it is my nightmare when is about talking to chicks.

Style: OPTION ONE (DEFLECT AND REFRAME)
HB: So where are you from?
YOU: People always ask me that. But you know what I think, where you're from isn't who you are. Why don't we try to have a more fulfilling conversation than I do with everybody else and talk about more important things. If I was interested in who you were, I would ask a question like, So what is there in life that you are very passionate about, that really motivates you?

OPTION TWO (FLIRTATIOUS)
HB: So where are you from?
YOU: Somewhere dark and mysterious.
HB: No, seriously.
YOU: Seriously, it's somewhere that you would love to go one day. And it's somewhere I could even take you to. But you're going to have to earn it.
HB: So you're not going to tell me?
YOU: No, of course I'll tell you. When you earn it.

OPTION THREE (HONESTY)
Tell us here where you're from, and we'll come up with some good answers for you. I doubt that any HB is truly turned off by any answer you give. It's not WHAT you are telling them, I'd guess, it's HOW you are telling them.

BeerBongHangover: You have a great advantage. Girls always want to meet guys from Europe. You can use this to add mystery. Just talk about the exciting or unusual parts of your country. About how people are different there, etc.. To give you an example I was sarging at a party one time when I walked into a conversation. This guy had three girls mesmerized. He was talking about how he was from Hawaii and he belonged to some important tribe there. And his family was very important. And how he had to do these ceremonies like knighting people etc.. Basically saying he was a prince over there. Of course he didn't just brag (too obvious). He said stuff like the ceremonies sucked cause they were boring yet he went into great detail about them. Anyway it sounded like total BS to me but the girls ate it up. Of course he used to sneak out of his palace and party a ton which caused him to overdose and he had to be brought back to life on 3 different occasions. The things women will believe. Use your imagination. You don't have to go overboard like he did but you can use your origin to your advantage.

Richard Morrell: Dude. Just reply in your own language!! Have you seen how turned on Jame Lee Curtis gets by John Cleese talking in Russian in the film "A Fish called Wanda"?Speaking a foreign language fluently can get women hot and bothered. It is also mysterious as they are forced to focus in the tone and pitch rather than the words. Like listening to opera

Juggler: Most American women I know dig guys from Europe. You may be reading into this. Anyway, be proud of where you are from. Think about all the good things about where you are from. Turn this obstacle into an opportunity. Make talking about your homeland your strongest routine. Speak passionately. Geeez, you are lucky and don't even realize it. You are exotic.

Formhandle: Then don't give them what they want. And don't make it a big deal. If they ask more than once, ignore them, and focus your attention on something other than them.

For the ones that think you're an ass for doing this, NEXT.

For the ones who still keep bugging you about it, ask them why it's important for them to know and don't accept simple answers. Reverse the game on them and get them to describe FOR REAL why they care where you're from. Once you have that information, dig deeper - this is the core of EV. Find their end values and portray those values to them. The point is, get them attracted to you FIRST. After that, they won't care where you're from.

Make use of these words: "Why do you ask?"

Jake:
HB: So where are you from?

YOU: (Disappointed frown] isn't where I'm going TO more interesting?

Matt: Definitely make it part of your routine, to entertain them talk about the fascinating things where you are from, not giving her a geography lesson, but leading her imagination. Anything is better than just "I am from XXX", but a passion about your homeland will be picked up on by the HB's.

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