Stupid Question, Hooks and Pauses, Easiest, Sandwich Opener

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Specialist: Here's the scenario. It is as bad as any other ever posted, but, this time, it is ALL MINE. I met this cute blonde last summer out at the lake. #close, but never followed up, partly because of a sudden illness that put me in hospital for three weeks and out of action for a while longer. Ran into her again at a charity ball. My wing and I had a suite; he had the room with the twin beds; she crashed in the other bed in his room. I'd long since mislaid her number from the lake, so I wound up getting it from her again during Sunday morning champagne brunch in this other couple's room. And of course I didn't follow up on it AGAIN, being AFC and swamped with work and everything else.

Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago. My wing and I are in this local nightclub. I run into the blonde in the crowd, and she's like BIG smile, "John! HI!" and cheek kiss before I even finished saying Hi.

Now, I have since learned that my wing had been interested in her, and was working on her, but she is very close to the wing's ex-honey, and really didn't feel good about dating him because of the stress with the ex-honey. (The ex-honey wants to get back with the wing.) Meanwhile, the wing hooked up with this OTHER chick just a week or two ago, so anything between him and the blonde is history. Having read you this long saga, my question is this: Should I take the cheek kiss as an IOI or just a greeting?

Style: My thought is that it doesn't really matter whether the cheek kiss is an IOI or not. It's up to you to make her interested (YOU are the male of the species), and the door is open. From everything you've told me (she gave you her number twice, she was happy to see you), it seems that she likes you enough, though maybe as LJBF. But, again, it doesn't matter. You need to just call her. You need to have a good reason to call her (something that makes her smile). You need to demonstrate some charm and personality on the phone. Then you need to take her out, and don't let her sleep in the room next door this time. As for your wing, just tell him what you're doing first. I'm sure he won't mind: he has a HB now, and he's had plenty of time to work on this girl. DON'T WAIT THIS TIME!

MrMorg: The cheek kiss is like a, knock knock...anyone home??? From her. You need to act soon or face LJBF.

Nicholas: IOI. You got her number twice in the past, that in itself should let you know that she's interested in getting to know you better. The cheek kiss proves it, IMO.

Formhandle: Take it as possible LJBF, that you put yourself into. Call her up and tell her it was nice seeing her at the club and you're making dinner tonight and would like some company. Invite her over. Seduce her. Then fuck her.

Matt: Seems as though she is interested, but that window of opportunity doesn't usually stay open as long as it has already for you. Check it's ok with your wing and sarge her hard.

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Hooks and Pauses

Juggler: Puzzles...

You must be big enough to control the situation while at the same time look like you are not trying. You must approach while not seeming like you need to approach. You must entertain a group while not 'working' at it.

Pick-up artistry is full of these riddles. But there are solutions.

One such answer can be found by re-working your routines to include hooks and pauses.

Get a girl to chase you by getting her to ask you questions. Make her want something. This is the beginning of her quest to experience your mysterious self. Encourage this by structuring your rap to include hooks and pauses.

A hook is a statement which brings to mind one or more questions. A pause is a momentary stop to let her use her imagination.

Example:

You: I have an intuition about you.

Her: What?

You: Sometimes I get these hunches. My friends are amazed that many of them turn out to be correct. I don't know if I have some sort of phycic power or what. But with you I can see a specific aura around your body.

Her: What is it? What do you see?

You: I see a deeply adventurous spirit which is to often not let free because of societies expectations. (Pause) I knew a girl once, an artist, who had a similar feeling. She came up with a beautiful and exciting idea to free herself of all the bonds that are put upon us.

Her: What did she do?

It's easy from here. Take a look at your routines. Give some thought into how you can re-write them to include these concepts. Try interacting with a girl without asking her anything. Try getting a feel for her by how she pursues you.

Of course, you also need to deliver with powerful material. As she digs deeper and discovers jewels it will encourage her. Maximize the chick interestingness of your routines.

Questions are opportunities. Just plot to have her pursue the conversation threads you wish. But also, think up some pre-planned, great answers to common questions girls ask you all the time. And if you do some cool trick, make her beg it out of you.

There are many smart guys who make the mistake of saying the perfect statements - thoughtful, chick appealing and nicely ended. You can sabotage yourself this way. Do not be too thorough. Practice leaving holes and making contradictory statements. Make space for her imagination to fill in the details and her sense of wonder to lead her to want to consume you. Try to spend less of your time solving problems and more of your time finding mysteries.

Avoid conclusions. Never hand over the 'microphone' after a conclusion. If you find yourself at a conclusion bring up a new conversation thread which has a hook before handing over the microphone.

If a girl does not take a hook it does not necessarily mean it is a bad hook. Even a hook which doesn't catch will usually contribute a half point to your interestingness factor. Just don't look like you were expecting anything. Be self-contained - not needing anything. Keep your rap streaming.

This post is really about pulling an indicator of interest out of girls at the approach. Of course there are ways of pulling all the other IOIs out early as well.

Style: Genius post, Juggler. This will be put into action tonight! By the way, outside of being from Ann Arbor, where did you come from? How'd you get to this forum? Did you have good game before discovering this community, did you discover all this through asf/fastsed, or are you an older poster using a new name? Either way, digging your posts and ideas...


Juggler: I have enjoyed reading many of your posts as well. Here is a little background: I am in entertainment. When I began my career I couldn?t get anywhere near a stage so I took many of these strolling jobs. Newbie challenges, chatting up sales girls? forget about it. I had to talk to hundreds of people a night under pressure of being funny and astonishing. That is where I discovered many interesting truths. And it is a short step to applying that knowledge to the art of meeting and seducing girls. The two overlap a lot in my life. Although I have been working on adding some NLP, my game was pretty much installed when I discovered ASF a short time ago.


Style: Interesting. I sort of did the reverse. To get over a certain shyness in everyday life, I pursued stage entertainment for that SOLE reason. Once I was able to entertain in life, I stopped entertaining from the stage. Also, you sound somewhat like Mystery: he's a stage magician, and everytime he sarges, he's still practicing magic, entertainment, and winning people over to hone his stagecraft. The two also are bound tightly together for him.

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Easiest

Style: Learned a lesson today. And that lesson is: always go for the hottest girl, not the easiest. A few weeks ago, I met two HBs. One was a 9 (I've posted about her before here), and the other was a 7. I knew the 7 was into me, but I wanted the 9 more, of course. I took the 9 (who had a BF) out, and *closed (even though from everything she's said I'm 100 percent not her type--though she is exactly my type!). But the 7 called the 9's cell phone while we were out, and said something like, "Hands off, I want him." So I let the 9 go and fclosed the 7 a few days later. So I still see the 7 sometimes, and today I was talking to her and she said that she was talking to some of the 9's friends. The 9's friends were mad at her because they said that she stole me from the 9. Now, I am upset at myself: I went with the easiest girl instead of the hottest, and I could have had the hottest. So the question is: now that I'm f-ing the 7, is there any way to get back with the 9? (I haven't talked to her since we hung out, but I know she wouldn't mind hearing from me.)

Wizzard: Does the 9 know you know the 7 called her? You should make out that you only went with the 7 because the 9 mysteriously lost interest.


Jetman525: Woo! This brings up some possibilities. I suggest that you "arrange" to "bump into her" somewhere and when you do, ask her how 7 is. Do as Wiz suggests and make it clear to her that the only reason you became scarce is that she (9) lost interest. Demonstrate that you never drop a woman who's interested, but not to the point that you appear needy. (fine line) Get her to meet up for coffee, lunch, drinks, whatever, and go for the kill...


Toecutter: Nah, not the way Id do it. Indicates that you are not sure of your ability to have any girl. You now have this little thing called social proof on your side. There is jealousy floating around. I would just call the 9 and seduce her. Wouldn't get caught up in the he-said-she-said bullshit. Just make it clear that the 7 aint your girlfriend. Read her mind. Read her palm. Do your regular thing. Have her walking on sunshine with her head in the clouds. Isolate you your place. Do a your-place routine that ends in sex. Regular pick up really. You already have the IOIs, you have her phone number, you know she wont blur ... should be fairly easy.

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Sandwich Opener

Darko: Sandwich opener: While moving trough the crowded clubs, there are some routes formed, where people pass from one part of the club to another. Wing enters the route, I let a girl get between me and him, and follow her. I reach with my hand past her head and tap my wing in front of her on the shoulder. He turns to the girl "yes?". She tries to explain that it was me who taped him, I of course say that it was her and I saw it (with a smile). By then we are already in a conversation. You don't have to be moving to use it, just position yourself so that the hottie is between you and when you reach to tap the wing she can see that it was you. You have to be playful and wear a smile.

Example: Last night's "sandwich" in action:
BadBoy goes first, I let a hottie enter the route between us, I tap him and hide behind her.
BadBoy: yes?
HBhacker: oh, it wasn't me, it was (turns around to see that I'm hiding.)..
Me: (I smile to her so we both know I'm playing, but put on a serious face to explain to BadBoy) It was her man, I saw it.
BadBoy: (something like) oh, you like to play, don't you? (with a smile)
Me: (Atila comes in with a digicam) sorry, but we have to take a picture for evidence (the mood goes up, we all laugh, BadBoy is aplying heavy kino, they hug, Atila takes pictures) You're going on the internet baby.
HBhacker: Oh my god, please send me this pic to my email. (BadBoy email closes)

Aardvark: Good shooting, brother darko! You had a good wingman that was with the program, nice thinking on your feet (not everything can necessarily come from scripted text) for both you and wingman & you seem to have even given me a hint you had a "plan b" up your sleeve if deflected. Impressive. I also like it when the brothers here understand that you must have that fun attitude and let your target know it too. i just can't stress this enough. If i were to give out props i'd say 4 anthills go to bro. darko. i'd give him a perfect score of 5 if he got a phone num instead of email but a 4 gets quickly bumped up to 5 once you're getting a front row view of her knees rubbing her ears. Keep up the fantastic work.

Style: Darko, welcome to the board, man. I'm glad you'll be posting here. I like your style, and your enthusiasm, and your willingness to try anything. AND I know how hot the girls are in your region of the world (and how little game most guys there have), so I am very jealous.

This is a good opener. I read your post on it elsewhere, and tried it out the other day. When everyone can be maneuvered into the right position (or when chance sets it up), it's a lot of fun! Very good, playful way to start a sarge. I just tried it out with one wing (no photographer).

However, I would like to start thinking of more scripted openers: drawing an HB into a plot that involves you and one or two wings. (Sort of like Mystery's opener where he asks an HB to deliver a satchel full of money to a wing across the room.) Or even better, a pivot/female-wing who can simultaneously start laying out this story with an HB AND give you social proof.

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