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Identity

The phrase “all politics is local” was originally coined by the US politician Tip O’Neill. It suggested that political successes and relationships are based on those issues at the most local level geographically. My contention is that in fact politics is not centralised around geographical regions, but rather around identities. Furthermore, it is my contention that there is no such thing as one identity. Instead there are many, and thus politics should evolve to become far more fluid and relativist in order to cope with our various different identities. The discussion will therefore focus on the philosophy behind this hypothesis, and thus whether it is accurate or not. I will print this description for those who come on the day. But for those who want a little to read in advance, please read on.

Philosophically, the term ‘identity’ is a relational term. A simple way to describe it would be to say that the extent to which one thing can be described as being identical to another determines its identity. Or said differently, the terms identity and identical are philosophically related. For instance, the claim that a book at time t1 is the same book at time t1+1 is an identity claim. Such claims have been debated for thousands of years. Indeed it was Heraclitus, speaking in the 6th century BC, who said:
“No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.” To clarify, identity is usually distinguished from personality by saying that one is about defining a person, whereas the other is talking about traits and characteristics. Perhaps because of this defining tendency, identity has re-emerged in many debates and across many fields. In modern academia, its ascribed importance seems to be growing at a very fast pace. Indeed it poses numerous questions, of which those below are but a handful.

Thinkers & Thoughts of Note

o Mathematical/classical approach:
o Leibniz’s Law: “x is the same as y if and only if every predicate true of x is true of y as well.”
o Aristotle: In logic, the law of identity is the first of the three classical laws of thought. It states that: “each thing is the same with itself and different from another”: “A is A and not ~A”. By this it is meant that each thing (be it a universal or a particular) is composed of its own unique set of characteristic qualities or features, which the ancient Greeks called its essence.
o ‘Physicalist Approach’: o Common/’natural’ belief: We have one identity, which remains the same over time. The playful child is still the same person as the cranky old person ranting about the times.
o David Wiggins and Eric Olsen: The bodily continuity criterion for personal identity states that for a person at a particular time (t1) and a person at a later time (t2) to be numerically identical (meaning, retaining a single identity which has persisted over time), the person at t1 (P1) and the person at t2 (P2) must possess the same body, even if said body has undergone change. o Psychological theories:
o John Locke employed the memory as the sole criterion for identity. Later the theory was revised, by Lockeans and others, to include a plethora of psychological factors, not solely memories, as means of accounting for one’s singular personal identity over time. These theories focus primarily on either psychological continuity or psychological connectedness.
o Narrative Identity Theories:
o The identities of persons are self-created narratives – claims that story-telling is the mode in which we represent ourselves to ourselves, present ourselves to others, and represent others around us. The narrative theorist is attempting to capture that element of experience in which we say, “Hey, tell me your story,” or “I know you, I’ve heard stories about you.”
o On this account, who one is (and is not) is contingent upon the stories of one’s past, and the stories of who one wishes to become; the goals one possesses and the actions taken to arrive at those ends; the values inherited narratively or arrived at through reflection and self-story-telling; and one’s ‘emplotment’ as a character in one’s own story.
o There is no identity:
o Bertrand Russell: "[I]dentity, an objector may urge, cannot be anything at all: two terms plainly are not identical, and one term cannot be, for what is it identical with?" In other words it is nonsense to describe something as identical as something else, and meaningless to say it is identical to itself.
o Fichte, Schelling and Hegel: There are no indistinguishable, separate things. The ideal and the real are both in essence images of the whole, ultimate reality. Is a piece of paper identical to itself if I write on it? At time A, when it is without writing, it is clearly different to time B. Yet time is a single dimension of this ‘one’ object. Once the whole is seen, an object cannot be labelled as identical to itself, for nothing is truly separate, and all aspects of the whole are self-contradictory.
o Trans-world identity theory: If there are parallel worlds, then surely the same object exists elsewhere differently. How then can it be identical with itself?
o We cannot ever know:
o Early David Hume: We cannot know. All ideas are derived from impressions. You can’t describe the colour red sufficiently enough to give someone a true idea of redness, unless they have already seen it. Therefore, since nobody has any distinct impression of the self as something independent of an array of perceptions, and that array of perceptions is always changing, nobody can have any idea of ‘self’. Therefore the idea of self that we create is merely an illusion. We are in sum total no more than a bundle of perceptions.
o Later David Hume was more confused on the subject of identity. He realised that he was elevating perceptions to the status of substances. And furthermore he realised that the self must exist, for it takes a self to ground our knowledge, and act as the subject of our perceptions.

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  • Csilla

    Hi all! Who would be up for a Meetup on the Philosophy of Humour in the upcoming two weeks? Next Thursday or the Thursday after that, for example?

    July 25, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    Seems we are 3-4 interested by Pascal suggestion to pick up the FR bac subjects.
    So if other people intesrested and if Pascal can organize it ..it would be promising great time and for going back school :) !

    1 · July 3, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Yep yep Had little time to check on this exchange but I'll be there!!!

      July 24, 2014

    • Csilla

      I couldn!t go, but I would love to have another Meetup before my next holidays, that is, before 16 August. Anyone up for the Humour in Philosophy topic in the upcoming weeks?

      July 25, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    I found an article which deserves reflexion and would like to share with you :) we could debate one day :): a mix of geo strategy and ethic/philo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703689/Dutch-call-Putin-s-daughter-deported-discovered-lives-Holland-boyfriend-Ukrainians-plan-protest-outside-apartment.html

    1 · July 24, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    Re going back school Philo ok for 24.07 for me too :)thks Pascal for organizing

    1 · July 12, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      I already done it: http://www.meetup.com...­

      July 18, 2014

    • Csilla

      thanks for the link! I was looking for it within our group.

      July 18, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    We can pick up in subjects of the french Baccalauréat of philosophy of this year:
    - Is it enough to have the choice to be free?
    - Why to seek to know oneself?
    - Do we live to be happy?
    - Do we have to do everything to be happy?
    - Do the works (of art, etc.) educate our perception?

    3 · June 17, 2014

    • Sean

      Cool, i hope to be there too.

      July 17, 2014

    • Sean

      I started a poll for which topic people prefer, but be careful the poll is confusing, 10 is good and 6 is the lowest

      July 17, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    Hi Csilla or Rob for SIMPOL ? I found interesting article sorry in FR for International relation and History lovers :) cheers
    http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/walter-russell-mead/avant-guerre-mondiale_b_5566948.html?utm_hp_ref=france

    À l'heure où les forces russes sont en Ukraine, les conflits religieux enflamment le Moyen-Orient et les disputes territoriales provoquent crise sur crise en mer de Chine, les perspectives sont plus sombres. Des gens tout à fait sérieux se demandent à présent si nous n'avons pas basculé vers un nouvel avant-guerre. Un incident isolé, quelque part dans le monde, pourrait-il déclencher un autre conflit planétaire?
    Les victimes toujours plus nombreuses attisaient les haines, les massacres et les nettoyages ethniques se multipliaient. Dans le même temps, la capacité des puissances extérieures à contrôler la dynamique de la région s'amenuisait

    July 9, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    It seemed to me that some of us prefer a debate of opinions rather than a philosophical approach a little rigorous. Why not: after a hard day this can be understandable. It is just a question of terminology!

    2 · June 3, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      To be or not to be, that is the question... At the end of Identity session, someone told clearly that he doesn't want to get worked up, prefer to avoid constraining methods. But can we really play at "as if"? How to swim without working a method of swimming? Either it is philosophy, either it is not, says more than 2500 years of thought... Of course everyone can do philosophy without knowing it, but then how to pull from it something to progress? "To inquire, to question, to search, to ponder" as you say, if want to do it for real, needs an effort (philosophy is a long run!), probably not really appreciated after a hard day. I understand it totally: it is not easy at all to switch from a way of thinking during the day, to another in the evening. So let's call it "debate of opinions" (and rename the group as well!), exchanging some different levels of arguments, different beliefs, etc. and let's spend a good time together... Do you understand why Socrates was so painful? :)

      June 23, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Dear Will, You asked me “Don't you think that the expression of opinions can also be a method of gathering elements on which we then continue argumentation?”. Since Plato there is on one side the wold of “doxa” (beliefs, changing world, etc.), and the other side there is “episteme” (science, stable world, etc.), and the work of philosophy is to go from the first to the second. Simple opinions are like as sand, you can build nothing above it, and to transform them in "justified true belief", well, sees how Socrates ended by trying to make it!

      June 23, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Although we are mainly in debates of opinion (Nietzsche said "Tastes and colors that can not be discussed, and nevertheless we do only that"), to keep the most open and touch the most possible people (and nevertheless to attempt to go from the doxa to the episteme!), rather an inductive approach, going from the individual (such as a news event, etc.., rather reducer) to the general, I suggest to continue as we did last time: a deductive approach, going from general to the individual. I.e. to first select one of the big themes of metaphysics that humanity has bring out (identity, existence, property (of something), space, time, causality, possibility, etc.), and then take in it possible topics. With of course the intervention of moderators Sean & Robert…

    3 · June 6, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      I admit I'm a bit lost on the previous posts. What we can do is organize a meeting to allow each to explain his/her points on the methodology to follow, to have an interaction on these points and to agree on some rules/ guidelines/ structures/ methodology for our meetings

      1 · June 18, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Let us choose a subject, a question. Let us question the terms, let us clarify them, let us identify our prejudices, and then let us try to answer the question, by remaining watchful on the words which we use, on what they imply or presuppose...

      1 · June 21, 2014

  • Sean

    Hey Rob,

    actually, on reflection, i thought it was a bit of poor form on our side in regards to the "takeaways" delivered at the end.

    The points were valid, but i think we could have expressed them better, in a less offensive way.

    For me, I started the club because I wanted to discuss the practical relevance of philosophical ideas, and how they impact our lives.

    However, it is not "my" club, and topically speaking, it has it's own identity which should mirror that of it's members. Therefore if the members were happy to discuss identity in isolation, then that is it's own justification.

    This was my thought half way through the meeting, when i was contemplating if i should "hijack" the flow of our group's discussion and drag it into the aspect of political relevancy.

    I chose to do so, but at the risk of appearing autocratic / control freak.

    2 · May 25, 2014

    • Robert

      1. If we want structure then we ask for it at the beginning when it's possible to choose a moderator, not at the end when it's clearly not. 2. If we don't understand why something is relevant or what the main points to discuss should be, we ask at the beginning. The title of the notes I wrote clearly stated a hypothesis to discuss and/or refute. The only person who said they were unclear on the purpose of the discussion was Sean, prior to the night, and we discussed this. 3. Relevance is a matter of opinion, quite clearly in this case, since my position remains that identity is the most relevant philosophical discussion for our daily lives than we have ever had or will ever have. If your position is otherwise then you either don't attend, or you bring your points to the table. Just some thoughts for next time. As I said; don't read this as personal, but taking these things on board would help!

      2 · May 25, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      I would like to join Martin by saying that if finger pointing was experienced, the intention was far from being there. I myself consider a group as a whole in which things can be said and suggestions can be made with the only aim to put the elements on the table, to scramble them and interact on them in an objective manner.

      1 · June 18, 2014

  • Csilla

    I really like all the input that has accumulated since I was here last :)

    I suggest we try to phrase our topic suggestions in one simple question, so that the discussion would be easier to organise.

    My suggested topic then is the following:

    What is the value of humour for the individual and for society in general?

    For philosophical background I find that the English Wikipedia entry a good starting point, especially its sections on different cultures and its references to Plato, Aristotle, Schopenhauer and classic Arabian philosophers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour If I were to choose one book that I have read and infulenced my thinking on this issue, I would recommend The Act of Creation by Arthur Koestler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Creation I will be on holiday from 11 June until 8 July so if you choose this topic, it should be after the time I get back :)

    2 · June 6, 2014

    • Julia M.

      I prefer Friday, because of the weekend after.

      1 · June 14, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      I propose we start with a joke or a funny story ;)

      2 · June 17, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Did Socrates know the answers before asking the questions?

    1 · June 9, 2014

    • Julia M.

      No, Wim, I do not think, Socrates would accept an "I don't know" as a valid answer, somehow I doubt, Socrates would suspect you of mental laziness...

      June 16, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      lol It's the Socratic "I don't know, let's discuss". There is no laziness in there. There is a whole night of discussion in there! :)

      1 · June 16, 2014

  • Robert

    So who's writing up the next topic then? Anyone have a couple of hours free over the next week or two?

    June 9, 2014

    • Krzysztof P.

      I have to quit this time. My family is enlarging

      3 · June 9, 2014

    • Matthieu T.

      Should we have a Meetup poll with all the topics proposed down below?

      2 · June 9, 2014

  • Robert

    Hi all,
    Thanks to everyone who came yesterday! I had great fun, and really got what I hoped to out of the meetup: a philosophical discussion of what identity is, and a practical discussion surrounding the political relevance of identity. My apologies if I seemed a bit put out at the end after suggestions that we make meet-ups more structured - it shouldn't really have come out that way; I was just tired. In fact given that I didn't get home until 11 (bloody road-works) I'm actually all for a little more specificity and structure in the next one.
    So, given the recurrent popularity of ethics, my idea for the next discussion is to discuss the question "can coups ever be morally legitimate within a democratic structure?" This is a specific question that can be broken down into set sub-topics on which we can spend 30 minutes each, philosophical in nature, pie-in-the-sky enough to appease crack-pots like me, and relevant because Thailand saw a military coup only days ago.
    What do you think?

    4 · May 24, 2014

    • Csilla

      I really like the link with finger rules, I might even print it out for myself, could be useful at work too :)

      June 6, 2014

    • Csilla

      Going in a political direction sounds good for me but I will be away for a while so I don't want to vote for the next topic. I hope I won't miss the one on political coups, though ;)

      June 6, 2014

  • Eugeniu

    I had great fun during this meetup. I must say that it was the best gathering I have attended in the last six months. well done Sean and Robert!
    Regarding the next meetup topic ideas I like Robert's, Csilla's, Martin's and Matthiew's ideas without any particular preference to any of them. Thew I believe Martin's topic (on "purpose") is more abstract and might be more difficult to discuss. The ones on climate change, on humor in evolution and on coups could be easier thew I might be underestimating them. Maybe we can continue on political track since it is directly relevant for Rob and I would enjoy learning more on political affairs.
    In the session, we can try the rules of fingers and/or bringing an active moderator to guide the group discussion. Actually in our group, if I remember well, Robert took the initiative to moderate the discussion and he did it very well. So, in the end, the groups are kind of self managed.
    All in all, I'm eagerly looking forward to attend the next meeting.

    4 · June 1, 2014

    • Csilla

      I really like all the topics suggested by others that you mentioned (justification of coups, responsibility for climate change, finding one's purpose). And I agree that groups need an appointed moderator to be able to self-manage :) I most probably won't be able to attend the next meeting because of my upcoming holidays but I hope to follow the discussion at least on Meetup and look forward to the next discussion in July.

      June 6, 2014

  • Julia M.

    Hey all,
    I've found some literature, relating to one topic of our group discussion on the identity construction through mirroring in early childhood. Jacques Lacan wrote about it in 1949: "Le stade du miroir comme formateur de la fonction du Je", it can be found in the first volume of his Ecrits from 1966. Ernesto Laclau used Lacan for his idea of construction of a collective, political identity, for example in "On populist reason (2005). Here, he refers to the role of the external other in the formation of a collective identity. Both, Lacan's and Laclau's concepts of identity can be found in Yannis Stavrakakis: Lacan and the Political. Thinking the political (1999)

    2 · June 3, 2014

  • Csilla

    Let's start brainstorming topics for the next meetup! My suggestion: the role of humour in evolution, wellbeing, conflict-resolution, social interaction etc etc

    4 · May 24, 2014

    • Matthieu T.

      Here's another topic: climate change. We could ask: How should individuals, states, and the world community react to climate change? Do past polluters have a responsibility to clean up? Can humans really save themselves in the long term or will we always fall prey to our short-term impulses? What is the value of future generations? Does the continuing existence of the human race have any intrinsic value?

      3 · May 24, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      My suggestion: Finding your purpose.
      Questions could be: What is a purpose? Is it necessary to have a purpose? Is it possible to find a purpose? Is it an illusion? Or is the way of finding it the goal? How could you find your purpose?
      My motivation for it: Well, I think about it myself a lot at the moment :) Besides that, I think our very diverse group could lead to some interesting insights for all.

      3 · May 25, 2014

  • Eugeniu

    Awesome!

    2 · May 24, 2014

  • Csilla

    What an intriguing introduction! I tend to take the "bodily continuity" and "mathematical-logical" approach, compined with narrative theories of identities, but I am not sure I can combine and defend my views on a philosopical level, with supporting arguments... So maybe I'll just sit quietly and listen, for a change ;)

    1 · May 18, 2014

    • Csilla

      I don't think I will be able to keep my promise to keep my mouth shut, it happens very rarely :D

      May 23, 2014

    • Csilla

      I mean, it was not really a promise, just an idea... I am much better at keeping my promises than at keeping my mouth shut ;)

      May 23, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Great, there is so many ways for the debate ! On an analytical point of view the identity itself is a pseudo-relationship and identity between two different things is always partial. And personal identity is also partial (re-identication is just a sufficient subset of common specific properties between two slices of my existence, but this is open to vague, to indetermination). Personal identity seems to be an ideal stipulation of cultural origin, but without much metaphysical foundation. This may be a useful semantic artifact, especially for the transmission of the genetic capital ?...

    2 · May 14, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Hi Robert, Wahoo, the first thing to learn when one starts philosophy is... the modesty! Even a beginner can sometimes be more efficient than a expert to catch a concept or to reveal a new way of thinking. And this activity is so huge that it is just like the ascent of a mountain: at each step, going upper and upper, the landscape always extends a little more and we can only notice the extent of our ignorance... Furthermore I confess that the term of "guru" is very dogmatic, so far from the philosphy! I simply hope to share interesting ideas with all of us (even if is not easy for me to exchange in english because so much thing are lost during the translation).

      May 23, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      (cf. indeterminacy of translation, and inscrutability of reference, from Quine !)

      May 23, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    Well Alan, to answer you shortly (we can continue during the Meetup!), first at all it seems that there is a lot of assumptions in your question, which require discussion. Especially on the terms you use. What do you mean with the word “identical” ? At which level ? And with the word “soul” ? It has a cultural smell, maybe do you mean something like mind / spirit / consciousness ? And do you suggest that there is a soul for sheeps ? Etc. As Sean described it, there many different ways to address the question: philosophy of mathematics, physics, logic, mind, language, politics, ethics, etc. with tastes of empiricism, phenomenology, essentialism, realism, mereology, etc. etc. We have the choice ! ;)

    1 · May 16, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Dear Csilla, Unfortunately not, but although I am rather on the side of the Enlightment I'm open to all the facets of the knowledge of the world! Even if I do not imagine for now to dispute the reign of the reason, I have nevertheless a sensibility for an inner freedom which draws from subjectivity, intuition, emotions, ...

      1 · May 23, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      Dear Alan, Just coming back from of a short journey I read your comment: to call me a Dr is a little too much! Herr Dr would be better :)) No, maybe in a few years, but just for the pleasure! At the moment I am only an amateur interested in the world, who try to understand the sense of what we live...

      May 23, 2014

  • Robert

    Hi all, I can confirm the location as Oscars, upstairs. 7pm on Friday. And thank you all for responding! This discussion could go in many directions, but we're certainly not going to be short of interesting ideas, or dare I say identities, around the room.

    1 · May 21, 2014

    • Sean

      Hi JM, i've added the location map now - 9, Bisserweg, L-1238 Luxembourg. There are a few parking places nearby if you take the car, otherwise if walking you can go to the European Court of Justice (uptown) and take the elevator down to the grund, and then walk 100m. Give me a call if you get lost [masked]).

      1 · May 22, 2014

    • Julia M.

      Thank you very much, I think I'll figure it out.

      May 22, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    Hi JMZ , Oscar in in the grund near the Bosso and Scot just on your left after the bridge :)

    May 22, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    looking forward to my first attendance!
    Without any academic background, reading the material and reflecting a bit on the subject, I hooked up on the idea that everything goes back to linking the subject to the currently partially understood fundamentals of "everything" which today -and maybe temporarily- seem to be located into quantum mechanics. As science doesn't understand completely the fundamentals, we are today (and for the unforeseeable future) in the process of reflecting and constructing the building blocks that maybe one day will connect all together.
    My identity is my presence and participation in evolution. And I don't like the idea that I don't understand what I'm part of ;)

    2 · May 22, 2014

  • Jean-Marie N.

    Thks for your outline, hope to make it soon. My research would link identity to development. See jaan valsiner for more on cultural psychology.

    2 · May 13, 2014

    • Jean-Marie N.

      may be have a look at my notes on his recent contribution in: Melodies of Living:

      May 22, 2014

    • Jean-Marie N.

      OR 87 Book review and connections to my research project
      "There is a unique way in which each of us lives through our life: how we understand it, what sorts of questions we face, how we interpret it, how we make our decisions. for the graphs see here: http://jmnau.wordpres...­

      May 22, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    All, anyone has Alan's phone number?
    Thanks

    May 21, 2014

    • Alan Von S.

      Too bad Nina only Sean; Pascal; Krzystof got my precious and secret mobile :) don t tell me you already lost it :)

      May 21, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    very good job, Sean :)
    sounds very interesting, looking forward to attending it (if I am not send somewhere out of Lux for work....)

    May 21, 2014

  • Mara

    An interesting debate underway already! I think this can be a great opportunity for people to get to know themselves better or if you consider you already know yourself well enough, this is a chance to play Freud or Jung, on other people. I always find it very interesting to see how others see themselves, especially children. It never ceases to amaze me how kids identify themselves, build their own image in a group, change it,how it shapes them and how they grow along with it. Sometimes, as an icebreaker for a first class, the teacher will ask the students to introduce themselves, or to say something that no one would suspect of them unless they were acquainted better. I always had a hard time deciding what to say. Should i say who i think i am, who i want them to think i am, etc etc.. I should have just said... Well, i am someone different in every parallel universe there is :P

    May 21, 2014

  • Alan Von S.

    Whaou it s getting academic :) Thks Robert for the interesting Thought suggestions... too bad I can t make it that day :( Without going far away to the 4th dimension and "parralel world", there could be also as angle hot topic with coming dealines, as you start with "Politics and Identity" cf " Pro russian identity in Ukraine ? Is there a possible real "European belonging identity? "Local and regional Identity " claims :) ? Anyway Enjoy !

    1 · May 14, 2014

    • Mara

      I will go ahead and say that that is all politics played under the guise of something different with the end scope of some sort of gain.

      1 · May 21, 2014

    • Alan Von S.

      such a pity that mara and I, we cannot unfortunately attend on friday :( try in the midle of the week the next debate please :)

      May 21, 2014

  • Csilla

    As for the location: how about booking places in the upstairs room in Oscar's? It should be quieter there than downstairs.

    1 · May 18, 2014

    • Robert

      Done! Sean booked it last night (or will today if not anyway). Thanks for the suggestion

      1 · May 21, 2014

    • Csilla

      Sounds great! :)

      May 21, 2014

  • Julia M.

    A more profane comment: Have you decided on a location yet?

    May 21, 2014

    • Krzysztof P.

      Maybe an Independent? It looks like a good place cor such big group?

      May 21, 2014

    • Julia M.

      I like the independent. The area upstairs is closed, though.

      May 21, 2014

  • Theresa

    What a subject, and what an outline, i think we need a bar that stays open quite long to discuss all this.. Looking forward to Friday though and probably I'll be sitting quietly and listening as well...

    May 19, 2014

    • Robert

      Thanks Theresa, I'm very much looking forward to Friday as well!

      May 21, 2014

  • Mara

    Hello all. This is so interesting and i am already so excited to see all the different points of view. I am not sure i can make it Friday evening though.... I guess earlier in the week is not possible? Since we are not tied to getting the time in to see Californication beforehand? I am traveling that weekend so for me it will depend on getting everything done in time.

    May 15, 2014

    • Robert

      Hi Mara, sorry for the delayed reply! So hmm, it's a little late to rearrange the date now unfortunately. Are you sure you won't be able to make it? You made some great contributions at the last discussion so I was really hoping that you'd make it to this one!

      May 21, 2014

    • Robert

      Hang on a sec, not Mara - Roxanne right?

      2 · May 21, 2014

  • Derek

    I'm beginning to think you guys are organising these meetings when you know I'm away! I'm in Cardiff next week so I'll be missing this one as well. Enjoy!

    May 14, 2014

    • Robert

      This just gets better and better... Lol. Maybe next time you can suggest a time and date?

      May 21, 2014

  • Eugeniu

    Cafe Konrad is pretty good for a philosophical discussion ;)

    May 13, 2014

    • Robert

      Thanks for the suggestion Eugeniu. We did give this a think, but figured that, hopefully, it will be a little quieter if we can get our own room at Oscars in the Grund

      1 · May 21, 2014

  • Shehzar D.

    have we got a location???

    2 · May 19, 2014

    • Robert

      Sorry for the delay! Sean has booked the room upstairs at Oscars

      2 · May 21, 2014

  • Robert

    As for where we should hold it I wanted to find a really authentic, cultured café. But unfortunately I don't really know that many. So if no-one else has any better ideas, possible options are below:
    Coffee Lounge,
    Charles Café,
    Oscars
    Downstairs in the Chocolate House

    1 · May 13, 2014

    • Mara

      There is a Chocolate House in Luxi? I have to go inspect it now! If i find it, i will give feedback

      1 · May 15, 2014

    • Krzysztof P.

      This is to small

      May 15, 2014

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