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Re: [DarwinsTavern] more from the tyranny-cop

From: Jin S.
Sent on: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:43 AM

Speaking as a member who has yet to make it to a meeting I suppose I am one of the precious few to be spared the "in your face-ness" that could have transpired. I would like to say that if the group chose to protect itself from someone attacking it's fundamentals, I understand. While intrigued by the back and forth, I would like you to know, it was not a turn off. Healthy debate is good, but I understand where Wade was coming from. Some people will be controversial just to see what sort of rise they can get. If anything this was a refreshing break for me, and having not met any of you in person (partly because we've recently moved to the area, but mostly due to the 30 week old child) this emotional debate has allowed insight and depth into everyone's character. It's kind of nice. It gave me, at least, a better look into the roundness of everyone, I feel like I know a few of the more passionate of you and look forward to finally meeting in person one day. Stay true to your values. Just my two cents.
- Jin

On Feb 26,[masked]:08 PM, "Wade" <[address removed]> wrote:

Hello all.

Wow!  What an active on-line week for DT.  I often do not get involved in the on-line discussions, but I did recently.  And I would like to give a little background.  Lucina and Amber (who are both event organizers) noticed a discussion that seemed to be headed in an unfriendly direction.  The three of us tried to steer the conversation back to our usual, respectful dialog, but Raven did not want to play nice.  So I decided to send Raven a message and copy everyone.  Ellery and Chris Coffee wondered why I did it that way.  Here's why:  We have new people joining DT all the time.  We also have people who have joined and not yet attended a meetup yet.  For these people, what they see on-line is all they know about us.  And I don't want their impression of us to be that of a rude, in-your-face, unpleasant group.  So it seems to me that we can't let that kind of thing continue unchallenged if we want new people to have a positive impression of us.  That's why I sent the email that I did.  And Raven's response made it clear that she (or he?) was unwilling to be respectful.  Therefore, my decision to cancel her membership was not a difficult one. 

I know that some of you (Ellery and Chris Coffee for example) would like to see more aggressive and in-your-face debating in DT.  But I don't think that's the kind of group most of our regulars want, and it's certainly not the kind of group that I want.  We should all be able to find ways to express ourselves and even disagree with each other in respectful ways.  I'm quite sure Charles Darwin would agree. 

Anyway, enough of that.  I'm looking forward to having a beer with you all tomorrow night. 

Cheers, Wade 

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