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Re: [DarwinsTavern] Six Things Christians Should Just Stop Saying

From: Ellery C.
Sent on: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:33 PM
I think I have more in common with fundamentalists in some ways.

The fundi's search for internal consistency with their beliefs...they struggle with it, but they strive for it. 

If the bible cites homosexuality as a sin: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm - then well, it is a sin right?  For the fundi's the answer is clearly YES.

I have debated various liberal christians about their interpretation on the gay issue....and I find their apologetics on the subject confusing personally.  The bible in so many ways seems clear on that subject, in both the old and new testaments.  The fact that Jesus said nothing directly about it is not evidence.....

Another great example that comes to mind in the religion of my parents is the apologetics of black mormons:

http://www.blacklds.org/mauss

The real conondrum is that previous mormon prophets have said racist crap...that black folks could not hold the priesthood because their lineage is cursed directly by god, per the scriptures (both old test. and book of mormon). 

So a prophet recieves such revelation on this subject....how do we black mormons reconcile this uncomfortable history - that god was once racist, but then in 1978 decided "meh, times change"?

Here is the answer:

"Obviously divine guidance does not depend upon historical context, but it seems clear from history that some revelations have been received by prophets in response to inquiries motivated by the surrounding social and political environment."

So these black mormons are ok with the idea that prophets can formally recieve "divine guidance" that is instead motivated not by god, but by "surrounding social and political environments".....

The question then is, if you are ok with that....why believe any of what they say is inspired by a deity?  Even If I accept that the bible or a prophet is in parts true, other parts not....how the hell do these people go about choosing which parts to find true and other parts bullshit? 

I suspect the way they determine this has everything to do with the "surrounding social and political environments"

I just dont get moderates...as soon as I became a moderate it all fell apart...the only way you can stay in that state is acceptance of massive amounts of ambiguity, contradictions, and almost total lack of logical consistency :D

--- On Tue, 4/2/13, Wade <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Wade <[address removed]>
Subject: [DarwinsTavern] Six Things Christians Should Just Stop Saying
To: [address removed]
Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2013, 8:31 AM

Hello primates!
Here's an interesting article from a liberal Christian perspective.  I have alot in common with liberal Christians, and I think this article highlights some of the common ground.  Note the "most and least Christians cities" in the US at the bottom.  Birmingham (according to these people) ranks 2nd in most Christian US cities with only Salt Lake City ahead of us.  And there is a wide gap between The Ham and number 3.  But I have no idea about the accuracy of this list. 
I hope to see you all on Friday!  So far we have a good number of RSVP's.  Don't let the construction deter you.  You'll get to see the new ballpark just a few days before it opens. 
Cheers!
---Wade 
 
 




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