Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S.-Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?

From: user 4.
Sent on: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 11:27 AM
Thank you that was the best comment I received on this thread.

I guess the fox propaganda network and Rush L. isn't enough of a forum for their mind manipulation attempts.  They have to invade meetups too.



--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Dima <[address removed]> wrote:

> From: Dima <[address removed]>
> Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S.-Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:26 AM
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> You're being pretty
> dishonest here.
> ��
> "Just Leave Us
> Alone" is the conservative mantra? 
> So why is it that virtually every conservative politician
> of note wants to 
> meddle in everything? Last time I checked, it was the
> conservatives who want to 
> restrict the choice of private adults to marry other
> private adults. Last time I 
> checked, it was the conservatives who pursued a meddlesome
> imperialist 
> pre-emptive strike foreign policy of nation building. Last
> time I checked, it 
> was the conservatives who wanted to restrict personal
> choices such as family 
> planning, euthanasia, criticism of America,
> etc.
> ��
> So let's drop the
> partisan bullshit and start being 
> honest here. Seeing conservatives trying to victimize
> themselves and masking 
> behind the banner of "FREEEDOM!!" makes me sick.
> It's pretty easy to whine about 
> oppression when you're out of power. It's a lot
> harder to look around you and 
> understand why you've been��voted out of
> power.
> ��
> ��
> 
>   ----- Original Message
> ----- 
>   From: 
>   Raymond
> 
>   To: [address removed]
> 
>   Sent: Wednesday,
> September 02,[masked]:37 
>   AM
>   Subject: RE:
> [skeptics-192] New Meetup: 
>   Criminal Justice in the U.S.-Whatpurpose does it serve,
> and should it 
>   serve?
>   
> Conservatives are not out to get anyone.�� In
> fact, their 
>   whole political stance is built on the Laissez Faire
> attitude: Just Leave Us 
>   Alone.�� The socialists, in��sharp contrast, want
> to interfere with 
>   every��aspect of our lives, teling us whom we must
> hire and how much we 
>   must pay them, how we must think and how more and more of
> our hard earned 
>   money must be confiscated and given to those who do not
> have a strong work 
>   ethic.�� We are allowed a narrower and
> narrower��range of things 
>   considered acceptable to say;��we literally cannot
> even say, "Nice 
>   weather," without some socialist going into some
> rant about��how global 
>   warming is more dangerous than islamofascist
> terrorism.�� In the name of 
>   some utopian, completely unrealistic vision of absolute
> equality (can we say, 
>   Stepford Wives?), our individual freedoms are being
> systematically destroyed, 
>   with barack Hussein obama leading the way and his Kool
> Aid-drinking followers 
>   blindly cheering him on.
> ��
> 
>   
>   Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice
> in the 
>   U.S.-Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?
> To: 
>   [address removed]
> From: [address removed]
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 
>  [masked]:02:55 -0400
> 
> She wasn't mocking you, just pointing out the 
>   flaws, not in your position, but the way in which you
> presented that 
>   position.
> 
> I am labeled as a conservative, perhaps even an 
>   Ultra-Conservative, yet I agree fully with her
> statements. It's about 
>   rationality, not ideology.
> 
> The funny thing about your paranoia of 
>   Leftist radicals is that it's true - they are out to
> get you. The Left is out 
>   to get you just as much as the Right is out to get them.
> If politics wasn't 
>   aggressive, nothing would get accomplished. Besides,
> it's human 
>   nature.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
>   
>   From: Raymond 
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep[masked]:45:40 
>   -0400
> To: <[address removed]>
> Subject: RE: 
>   [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice in the U.S.
> -Whatpurpose does it 
>   serve, and should it serve?
> 
>   
> I have been quite rational and��have stated my
> positions quite 
>   forcefully and clearly.�� Liberals like Beth mock me
> because I dare to 
>   defy political correctness.�� This��is just
> another��example 
>   of��Left-wing intolerance.
> ��
> 
>   
>   Subject: Re: [skeptics-192] New Meetup: Criminal Justice
> in the U.S. 
>   -Whatpurpose does it serve, and should it serve?
> From: 
>   [address removed]
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 
>   11:11:30 -0400
> 
> Raymond, 
>   you���re so sure you���re going to get slammed here, yet
> you haven���t been! 
>   ��So in each successive email, you make a stronger
> controversial 
>   declaration, ending with a statement that basically dares
> anyone to hurl 
>   ���derisive comments��� at you. ��You seem unable to
> defend your positions and 
>   ideas so you attempt to forestall any challenges by
> pre-designating anyone to 
>   the ���left��� of you as merely reactionary. ��It
> would be nice if you had the 
>   courage of your convictions and would argue your points
> rationally instead of 
>   ducking your head behind a sort of reverse political
> correctness!
> 
> And 
>   now, as someone else said, I will go back into my hole.
> ��I too think this 
>   (interesting) discussion should be taken to the Message
> Board. ��Sorry to 
>   contribute to it but I couldn���t resist.
> 
> Beth
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/2/09 
>   7:13 AM, "Raymond" <[address removed]> 
>   wrote:
> 
> 
>   It is not my 
>     intention to spam, but I do feel I need to respond to
> what what was just 
>     said. ��
> ��
> Politically correct refers to how much one keeps 
>     to politically Left talking points. ��What makes
> political correctness 
>     so maddening, is the intolerance of it all.
> ��Leftism has become a 
>     quasi-religion, in which one better adhere to its dogma
> or they will be 
>     subject to an endless barage of insults.
> ��Dissension is simply 
>     unforgivable to those who are politically 
>     correct.
> ��
> Conservatives, for example, are endlessly labelled as 
>     racists. ��Ironically,though,­ it is the Leftists
> who are forever judging 
>     and categorizing people by the color of their skin
> rather than by the contet 
>     of their character. ��We do not need a Black, a
> woman, a homosexual, or 
>     any other specific minority to occupy the White House;
> we need the most 
>     qualified person to lead our nation, regardless of
> their particular skin 
>     color, level of testosterone/estroge­n, or personal
> sexual habits. ��My 
>     Objections to Obama have nothing to do with his skin
> color and everything to 
>     do with his training and policies; I would be thrilled
> if a Black 
>     conservative such as Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams
> would be our 
>     President.
> ��
> Another perpetual insult heaved on us conservatives, 
>     is that we are stupid and ignorant. ��Even putting
> aside the late great 
>     William F Buckley, I can give you a long list of quite
> brilliant 
>     conservative thinkers whose lives and writings are
> worth 
>     studying.
> ��
> And now I will say perhaps the most controversial 
>     statement I could possibly make, that is sure to arouse
> the anger of 
>     Leftists reading this, and that is, there is no book
> more important to read, 
>     and no book that is a straighter path to wisdom and
> plain old common sense, 
>     than the Old Testament and its adjecent Holy Writings.
> ��Such books and 
>     those who follow them are the biggest enemies of all to
> Leftists; I now duck 
>     in anticipation of the endless derisive comments that I
> sure to be hurled at 
>     me.
> 
> ��
> 
> 
> 
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