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Philosophy @ Pike Place Brewery

Pike Place Brewery is one of our regular haunts. We'll probably be in the back-right by the second bar.

Boilerplate: For anyone totally new -The group doesn't have any specific topic or moderation, it's just a bunch of drunk, very smart people talking about random philosophical stuff, so the group basically runs itself. Just show up, sit down wherever there's a free seat, and join in (Also, feel free to move around over the course of the evening. There tend to be five or six different conversations going on at once, and it can often be interesting to see what other people are talking about). I made a reservation under the name Michael S, as usual.

I completely forgot about the contact person thing. Heinrich has volunteered again, so if you have any questions give him a call/text at (360) 878-3931.

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  • Bryan

    Good time. A little loud, as the room was so big, and it was s change of pace to always order at the bar, but the lines were necer too long and the bartender was very cool and amiable. I'm not sure we got to the bottom of Wittgenstein's take on the grammar of "Know".

    September 21, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Only a few people have enough evidence to prove they are Jewish; virtually no one in the 20th century can prove he or she is not, including a German prince. I don't know if Wittgenstein's latter works are purely cognitive dissonance.

      September 21, 2013

    • Bryan

      His very, very "latest", i.e. last, "On Certainty", is of course just notebook entries (but since that pretty much accounts for all of his work aside from the Tractatus, it doesn't make much difference), but that is probably my favorite work for the purposes of this question. As to "dissonance," L.W. might well reply that it is the philosopher who insists on using words in a strange manner far removed from their ordinary sense that is suffering from cognitive dissonance. That being said, it isn't always LW's conslusions that appeal to me -- it is the dogged seriousness with which he pursues them.

      1 · September 22, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry some stuff came up.

    September 20, 2013

  • Jon C.

    From http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2013/09/15/religion-without-god-author-ronald-dworkin-offers-path-beyond-shopworn-disputes/2gDiyg1lA5ZVjCufzaTaVM/story.html

    " The shallow presupposition of most religious thinking, Tillich wrote, “is that God is a being, acting in time and space, dwelling in a special place, affecting the course of events, and being affected by them like any other being in the universe.” "

    Shallow? It seems to me that it is only atheists that think that theists think that way. They take Michelango's painting as a representation of theism, even though it violated the 1st Commandment.

    September 18, 2013

    • Jon C.

      I did not read the Tillich quote as referring to religious thinking of the average pew warmer. The preceding phrase, "a great 20th-century theologian who thought critically about religious belief," in my opinion sets the mind of the reader to expect a discussion of the beliefs of other theologians. Since I grew up in a somewhat Jewish household, I did not get strong impressions about the beliefs of the typical Christian person. What I do recall was that "dwelling in a special place" was not an accurate description of what I was taught in Judaism. There are especially holy places, and the Tent of Meeting for example, but they are surprising and mysterious exceptions to the general notion that God is everywhere always. But it is "being affected by them like any other being" that is most inconsistent with actual theist thought. Of course we believe that God responds to prayer, but that is not like any other being. Apart from that, how is God affected by anything?

      September 19, 2013

    • Michael

      I actually think your frustration about atheists is warranted, Jon - atheists often seem to attack the most cartoonish version of theistic belief, which is kind of like meeting an Elvis impersonator and telling everyone you actually met a living Elvis. But I think it's also fair to say that reification can creep into popular theistic thought, and that simpler (or perhaps just distracted/incurious/laz­y) minds tend to slide towards simpler paradigms (atheists included). I think it can be genuinely hard for many theists to remember that God is not just a really powerful person.

      September 20, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sadly, my first question is pragmatic rather than philosophical. What do folks recommend for parking?

    September 19, 2013

    • Terra L.

      Parking downtown can be pretty rough. I might recommend taking the bus. If you live pretty far away, you could find a park & ride somewhere and catch the bus from there. There are some lots in the downtown area, though. I don't have their exact addresses, but if you came down to the Pike Place general area and drove around a bit you'd find them. I feel like they're pricey, but then I'm used to the buses, which are cheap, but much less convenient than having a car at your disposal.

      September 20, 2013

    • Michael

      Yeah, street parking in Downtown is possible, strictly speaking, but not easy. Sometimes Western has some spots, and if you're willing to park closer to Pioneer Square, your chances will probably be better.

      September 20, 2013

    • Bryan

      If you can't know the target-in-itself, you can't shoot it either.

      1 · September 17, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      In 2013, nobody laughs at American jokes.

      September 19, 2013

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