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A Christmas Carol: The Celebration Of Paradox

We love it!  We read it, make movies of it, BUT NEVER ACTUALLY DO IT!

 

OUTRAGEOUS IRONIES abound:  piratical publishers cheated Dickens, it was read to soldiers in WWI trenches, criticized for being too expensive for poor children to buy, etc.  Mitt Romney must love it!

 

 

 

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  • Christopher G.

    If you don't believe Jesus is God, you're going to be tortured in hell for all eternity by Jesus, spreader of peace joy and love. This will happen to you even if you spent your life doing nothing but kind acts of self-sacrifice. If this is incorrect, could some Christian in the audience please speak up.

    December 22, 2012

    • Christopher G.

      I believe in Santa Claus, does that count?

      December 24, 2012

    • Christopher G.

      BTW, there have been Christians at a couple of our meetups, I remember talking, at length with a couple of them afterwords. I fear they've gone on to easier game, figuring Hell will take care of us, along with Socrates, Epicurus, and the Buddha.

      December 24, 2012

  • Dennis R.

    I posted a response to Teresa's question . . . as a new subject as a discussion that accommodates more characters.

    December 24, 2012

  • Todd N.

    I don't know if the discussion made anyone a little less sour and stingy, or if it inspired any ideological, ethical, or emotional transformation, but I think we all gained a little deeper understanding of the ethical content of Dicken's A Christmas Carol (and it didn't even require any supernatural visitations).

    1 · December 23, 2012

  • Christopher G.

    I'd like to thank each and everyone who attended. In its own way, it was a sacred event.

    1 · December 23, 2012

  • Dennis R.

    Anyhow, connecting the Christmas peace and joy them with other conversational threads from Richard's gatherings, what "Christians" really mean, given the original counter imperialism of Jesus as Israel non-violent terrorist against Rome that Richard mentioned. . . what "Christians" really mean is peace for our tribe and to Hell with the rest of the world I guess . . . Anyhow, I betcha I'll get some good illumination at Kell's tomorrow.

    December 22, 2012

  • Richard M.

    Bah! Humbug! It's just part of the UN conspiracy to take away our freedoms. (I went to a meeting of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY last week.)

    December 22, 2012

  • Christopher G.

    So, in the story, Scrooge did more that just keep the spirit of Christmas in his heart. He acted on it, did he not? He gave his employee real benefits that improved his life, and this actually came out of his own pocket. He paid himself less, so that his worker could live a more decent life. Is this the “it” our CEO’s are not doing? Are you trying to remind us that they have been increasingly doing exactly the opposite of what Scrooge did? Why Richard, if I didn’t know better, I’d say you we’re trying to get us to think about an ethical issue. Hey wait...the first word is the title of your group is...ethical...D'oh!

    December 19, 2012

  • Richard M.

    Christ in Christmas? Oh, yes, as I understand it...the celebration of the birth of Christ was about the birth of a king who would destroy Rome, free Israel and make Jerusalem the ruler of the world. It was a very self-interested hope. Nothing to do with "peace on earth" etc., it was about birth of a mighty worldly leader would crush the gentiles. Only afterwards did the narrative change to be politically correct in new times. When you can't militarily conquer your neighbors, THEN you love peace. Same for us today.

    December 18, 2012

  • Richard M.

    Hi Todd, an excellent question. I was thinking of an attitude that MONEY IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING in life. We love the story and movie, but then on January 1 corporations are happy to destroy all life on earth for next quarters earnings per share.

    December 18, 2012

  • Dennis R.

    Aha! With Christopher's note Teresa nails Richarr doing seasonal Christmas things than living the "spirit" of peace and love all year. Some of us boys and girls try to do that and largely succeed, don't we? And Richard provokes discussion by presuming we don't. We'll see.

    December 18, 2012

  • Christopher G.

    The "it" in the Christmas Carol story is the transformation of a person from a greedy self-centered person into someone who becomes generous and concerned with the welfare of others. Isn't that the "it" Richard means?

    December 18, 2012

  • Juliet

    Carting around....just to hear the tinkle. How lovely!

    December 17, 2012

  • Dennis R.

    Well, having just put up white Xmas lites w. a red flower I can't spell very well in my window for neighbors to see and having just started carting around a made-in-china hourly Carol chiming clock around to hear the tinkle, it seemed to me "it" was an encompassing pronoun for all of the Christmas faldaraw most of us remember fondly from our family life. I think there are those traditional movies and a scrooge story in film and book called "A Christmas Carol," but I'm not sure. In Richard's gathering I don't think we'll have anybody come who is on edge about multiculturalism taking Christ out of Xmas, but anything can happen.

    December 17, 2012

  • Todd N.

    What is the "it" that the title and description of this meeting assert we love, read, make movies of, but never actaully do?

    December 17, 2012

  • Juliet

    Will be out of town on the 23rd.

    December 17, 2012

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