WEBINAR - Child Protection Or Child Snatching - The Story

  • October 15, 2012 · 7:30 PM
  • Online Meeting

In this webinar, Sabine K McNeill will share her experiences of what Christopher Booker from the Telegraph calls “child snatching” but what the State calls child ‘protection’. These experiences come from talking to parents and also include visits to three prisons.

Sabine says, “You can only believe how bad it is, when you talk to parents to whom it has happened. The Slovak father who lost his two sons, also lost his marriage, a £50,000 job and house, due to the unbearable stress of being falsely accused of having abused one of his sons.”

What is happening to loving and innocent families, she feels is often not heard because of the Secrecy of the Family Courts that can result in imprisonments and intimidation, that only the internet can compensate for. However, gagging or ‘injunction’ orders try to ensure that internet publicity is minimised.

However, now the UK may be taken to the European Court of Human Rights over its ‘illegal’ child-snatching: to “challenge the unusual readiness of our social workers and courts to remove children from their parents for “no sound reason”.

She hopes that the creation of the Association of McKenzie Friends and the Citizens Cyber Court can become possible avenues of remedy.

Sabine K McNeill is a mathematician and computer scientist who used to diagnose software at CERN in Geneva. Since coming to London, she organised events, but felt she might be more effective by publishing websites. Her most popular site is Victims Unite which she began to expose white collar crimes such as fraudulent bankruptcies and home repossessions.

Discovering child snatching as the most heinous of all institutionalised crimes fuelled her such that she built special sites for the worst cases known to her. In the process, she received injunction orders from Swansea, Doncaster and Haringey Council, threatening her with imprisonment.

There are many children in care who have suffered violations in their life that have led to being in care. This webinar will be followed by another soon after, looking at the importance of care so that we try to understand the real problems of this debate and also understand the viewpoint of all the victims whether children in care or families who feel they have been unjustly treated.

This webinar is also one of several events that we will be doing from October on around Family Policy so we will be able to cover many issues.

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  • Catherine Sarah H.

    could not get web onto the webinar

    October 12, 2012

    • Stella

      October 15, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      Many thanks, Stella!!!

      October 16, 2012

  • Robin C.

    Disturbing, unethical, heartbreaking, and massive data + anecdotes that we all need to hear and publicize to our broader circles.

    October 15, 2012

  • Stella

    I liked it, let's all do more.

    October 15, 2012

  • Catherine Sarah H.

    My connection kept cutting out... this is only the cherry on the cake i have so many other global stories

    October 15, 2012

  • Stella

    nearly time but there's a probkem with my email, I am at a loss

    October 15, 2012

  • Catherine Sarah H.

    I have already been involved with this for several years... i wrote to many ministers to tell them if Hollie did not get her day in court then i was coming out and i did.

    1 · October 12, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      WELL DONE, Catherine! We just haven't reached 'system bust' point yet... Far from it, in fact!...

      October 12, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm glad to read about the hope / expectation of GlobalNet to sort this out! For I'm still under the spell of a hearing where a mother was NOT given bail. I.e. she has to stay in HMP Holloway. She has not seen her son since Dec. 2011. He was 4 at the time. What got so much to me was the fact that the judge claimed that 'the welfare of the child' is first. She had the child by artificial insemination!... The pattern in the cases that I have followed becomes clearer from case to case: parents are found 'guilty' on rather flimsy grounds, solicitors give bad advice, prisons don't 'produce' inmates for court hearings and Social Services press on to get full 'custody' in secret hearings... "in the interest of the child"... I was told by one campaigner that there is a centre in Soho where 5-year-olds are being drugged while their bodies are abused...

    October 12, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm just giving a voice to those who don't seem to have any: babies who are taken at birth without the right to breastfeeding, children who are too young to be asked, children who gave me stomach aches when I saw them suffering under interrogation on videolink and other EVIDENCE I have personally experienced. The statistics about children in care are horrendous: http://punishmentwithoutcrime.wordpress.com/about/statistics/the-kids/

    The report commissioned by the Government about 'expert witnesses' was equally 'dramatic': http://www.uclan.ac.uk/news/files/FINALVERSIONFEB2012.pdf

    Angela,

    I appreciate that you are doing your best. Any generalisation is bound to be wrong. I'm just telling the story of my experiences. Nothing to do with any of the children you will have seen, I imagine.

    1 · September 17, 2012

    • Martin R.

      What troubles me about websites like Punishment Without Crime is that they’re so quick to damn the system that there is no balance – no acknowledgement that many children really do need to be protected from their own families.

      The care system and family courts need to be invested in and improved, and there’s a lot to be said for Camilla Cavendish’s 10 point plan – for starters it’s constructive, not negative – but it all needs to be seen in context.

      I’ll show my hand. I’m an adoptive father of two. Both children were removed from their biological parents’ care at birth. They weren’t removed to satisfy adoption targets. They were removed because they were in danger. Simple as that.

      No one is saying that the care system and family courts are perfect – far from it. I have no doubt that there have been grave errors. But I'm hearing a lot of anti-adoption rhetoric that recklessly ignores what my children, and others like them, would have had to suffer had they not been taken into care.

      1 · September 18, 2012

    • Stella

      October 12, 2012

  • Stella

    "families who feel they have been unjustly treated" It must be said that accused parents have been asking and asking for trials by Judges and Juries, the same way as other accused people are treated. The idea that secret Courts protect children is out-moded what with adoption agencies showing photos to any wannabe adoptive parents.

    There is a tinge of scandal attaching itself to Court secrecy - Google the name Hollie Grieg and please get invloved. If GlobalNet21 can't sort things out - who can?

    1 · October 12, 2012

  • Francis S.

    Martin Read refers to Camilla Cavendish's 10 point plan. Camilla Cavendish is Associate Editor and columnist at The Times. In 2009, she was campaigning journalist of the year for exposing miscarriages of justice which convinced Government to open the family courts – but not enough. The discussions here wont allow enough space to reproduce this plan here but I have posted it in the discussion forum for those interested. You can find it at

    http://www.meetup.com/21stCenturyNetwork/messages/boards/thread/27028532/#[masked]

    September 18, 2012

  • Francis S.

    Our webinars usually allow people to express their view based on their experience but we always try to create balance over a series of events and this is one event on amongst several that will take place on Family Policy from October on including we hope a webinar on children in care and the importance of that care.

    1 · September 17, 2012

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