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Re: [atheists-36] The history of the world

From: Keisar B.
Sent on: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:48 PM
it's "common knowledge" that libertarian is far right and atheist is far left. what use you make of it is where the problem lies, or in the case of my use, does not lie, just with any stereotype. i suspect though that a good deal more than 50% of each category fits the stereotype.

2008/8/13 Robban <[address removed]>

I really see this as a question of semantics.   In American politics RIGHT and LEFT is no longer defined in the classical broader sense. By American standards Dems are Left wing and Reps are right wing ��� while both represent basically  a more or less Free-market Capitalism and would, say in Europe, both be considered part of the Conservative block.  In a larger fish pond the fact that some libertarians are for legalization of prostitution, drugs and gambling does not say anything about their POLITICAL ideology, but  rather than their rather dogmatic emphasis upon individual choice always trumping state involvement..

 

I am sure all Libertarians would agree that they are not in favour of governmental ownership and/or control of production/business (a.k.a. socialism), or even any of the relatively mild social reforms which "leftist" Europeans have adopted into their social systems. Thus many of us would not describe them as Leftists. If the Conservatives are willing to take them in is their own matter.  That Libertarians would seemingly not want to be described as Conservatives nor as Liberals, Right wing nor Left, speaks more about their negative attitude toward all collective involvement than it does of any willingness to discuss political science.

 

I really doubt that 20% of all atheists are Libertarians. I find most atheists ��� thought certainly not all ��� to be more broadminded.

 

/Robban

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of sean
Sent: Wednesday, August 13,[masked]:34 AM


To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [atheists-36] The history of the world

 

Those of us who are in minority groups should be the absolute last people to paint with such broad a brush as to say things like... "most libertarians are far right".
That is utter nonsense.
From where would you get this very wrong information? Please don't go around passing your supposition off as fact...it's irresponsible. There are others who may be interested in seeking a third party in which to join, read your words, assume them to be factual... and be turned off. Let's not join in the same baseless propaganda-spewing in which our friends in the christian community regularly engage.
There are libertarians from every group...some of which ARE from the far right...as well as the far left. As with a lot of parties, there are more moderates than any other group. The Constitution party tends to be right of the Libs so maybe you have the two confused?
As a former Marine, people tend to assume that I am a Rep and a christian because they make assumptions...let's endeavor to have members of our community not do the same.

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From: Advocate <[address removed]>
Date: Tue, 12 Aug[masked]:33:47 -0400
To: <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [atheists-36] The history of the world

that's a bit loaded isn't it? since most libertarians are far-right and most atheists far-left.

2008/8/12 Tom Lundy <[address removed]>

When we first evolved and came down from the trees our first civilization was the Egyptians.

The Egyptian king stood up and said, "I am king, head of the state AND I am god, head of the church."

We have been trying to free our selves from both the church and the state since then.

 

About 20% of libertarians are atheists and about 20% of atheists are libertarians.

 

If you are both a libertarian and an atheist, please join the Orlando atheist and libertarian social group at

http://atheists.meetup.com/723/

 

We are having our first social the last weekend of this month.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Tom Lundy

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