Re: [atheists-36] Story on atheist billboards in Phoenix

From: Tamara
Sent on: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:49 PM
Re: [atheists-36] Story on atheist billboards in Phoenix Milk toast Agnostics? That’s obnoxious.

And ironic... Eschew hard science and rationalism? Okay then, PROVE scientifically that there is no god. You can’t. It is logically impossible to prove the non-existence of a thing. Therefore, technically, one who believes that there is absolutely no god, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is taking a leap of faith - as such a sentiment is improvable.

I am not “milk toast.” I am logical.


On 8/25/08 10:15 PM, "Mark Freedman" <[address removed]> wrote:

Good point Tom.  Unlike religions that impose a myriad of litmus tests (including social and political tests), the only litmus test to be an Atheist is to explicitly reject Theism and the supernatural.  To impose a social or political ideology with the Atheist position contradicts associated principals of free thought & rationalism.  From my observation, partisans who impose political litmus tests are not really Atheists, but are anti-religious milk toast Agnostics with a tendency to eschew hard Science and rationalism in favor of Science fiction and politically correct irrationalisms such as paranormalism, metaphysics, UFOlogy, paganism, etc.  It's the oxymoron of a religious Atheist.     

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Tom Lundy <[address removed]> wrote:
An atheist group in Phoenix has put up atheist billboards around town.

Putting up billboards would be a more appropriate effort for an atheist group rather than making liberal political statements by donating to public schools.

Because I am a libertarian, I refuse to contribute any more of my hard earned money to any big government program.

As a result, my wife and I are now being excluded from the annual summer and winter parties.

I think this atheist group should be about atheism, not atheism and big government liberalism.

Tom Lundy

'Imagine No Religion' signs to go up around town

by Astrid Galvan - Aug. 24,[masked]:52 PM

The Arizona Republic

A national organization that promotes freedom from religion and separation of church and state is hoping to get Phoenix commuters talking with five controversial billboard ads that will go up this week.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, based in Madison, Wis., paid advertising company CBS Outdoor to put up five signs that read "Imagine No Religion."

The message on the billboards will start to go up Monday and will remain there for a month, said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
It will take CBS Outdoor a few days for all signs to be up, which will be located at:

? 19th Avenue and Fillmore Street, west of the State Capitol

? Van Buren Street and 15th Avenue, northeast of the State Capitol

? Indian School Road and 23rd Street

? McDowell Road and 14th Street

? McDowell Road and Third Street

Phoenix will be the first city to have as many as five signs.

But getting the billboards up did not come without hurdles.

The five sites chosen by the organization were changed after CBS Outdoor said they had to be 1,000 feet from any schools or churches, Gaylor said.

The site locations were finalized late last week, and CBS Outdoor was not available for comment over the weekend.

The organization, comprised of 12,000 atheist or agnostic members, aims to promote free thought and separation of church and state.

The billboards debuted last year in Madison and have made their way to cities like Columbus, Ohio, and Seattle.

A billboard reading "Keep Religion OUT of Politics" is currently displayed in Denver and will remain there throughout the Democratic National Convention.

So far, Gaylor said, there has been little opposition to the billboards, and she doesn't anticipate any issues in Phoenix.

"The free thought movement has never been stronger in this country," she said.

Bob Mitchell, senior pastor at Central United Methodist Church, on Central Avenue near McDowell Road, said he's also noticed an increase in atheist activism.

"I don't have a problem with people expressing their points of view in public," Mitchell, whose congregation has around 420 members, said.

Mitchell said he hoped there would be no backlash against the billboards but wouldn't be surprised if there was.

"I would prefer that there was serious tolerant dialogue that might emerge from this publicity campaign because it is much needed," he said.

But state Sen. Linda Gray, who represents the Northwest Valley, was more critical of the organization and its billboard ads.

Gray, a Republican, thinks the signs will be offensive to those who believe in God.

"The FFRF fails to acknowledge history which recognized the strong Christian commitment of those who attended the Constitutional Convention," she wrote in an e-mail.

For Harold Saferstein, of Scottsdale, the billboards are a step forward in making the idea of freedom from religion more public.

Saferstein, who is part of the Humanist Society of Greater Phoenix, an organization that promotes humanism, donated money for the billboards.

He said several members of his organization also donated.

"I think (the billboards) are going to alert people to the fact that there are organizations that support lack of believe in a supernatural being," Saferstein said.

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