Re: [atheists-36] Important update re: Navy to kill 1,800 whales and dolphins and deafen 15,900 more

From: user 3.
Sent on: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 1:12 AM
What about this issue makes you think "human lives and safety" are involved at all?  Because the Navy is planning to do it?  This is another astounding and disgusting example of human disregard for the environment and the animals we share the Earth with, and why the Humanist Manifesto needs a rewrite!  We really are not that far anymore from the world of Wall-E, Soylent Green, and Silent Running.

Larry Rosen

At 08:50 PM 7/9/2012, Drew Baye wrote:
If I believed in a god or gods I wouldn't be part of this group. This isn't about "dominion" but about prioritizing human lives and safety.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Ronnie Hawkins <[address removed] > wrote:
Sounds like you still believe in the notion that God gave us "dominion" over the Earth and all its (other) creatures.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Drew Baye <[address removed]> wrote:
Yes, but that still doesn't mean we need to put the welfare of a number of animals before humans. The first consideration should still be the short and long term benefit to humans.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Ronnie Hawkins <[address removed] > wrote:
How about some healthy skepticism regarding anthropocentrism? After all, if you understand Darwinian evolution, you realize that human life exists on a spectrum of other life, and if you understand ecology, you know it is interconnected with, and completely dependent upon, the rest of the biosphere.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Drew Baye <[address removed]> wrote:
We should try to be compassionate towards all living things when possible, but when human lives or safety are at stake the choice is simple, thus my question.

Skepticism isn't just for religion, it should be applied to environmentalism and animal "rights" issues as well.



On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Norma Jeane Young < [address removed]> wrote:
The attitude that humans are at the TOP & can do anything they want to creatures "below" them is the kind of attitude that has led to the extermination or endangerment of many of the species on the Planet.  It's Time that humans realize that other creatures have their OWN right to exist also & lives to lead and purposes for being here.  Humans have no right to use and abuse other animals -- just because they CAN! 
 
Respect for other humans is connected to RESPECT for ALL LIFE -- for other animals on the Planet & Our Environment.  We cannot "afford" to kill over 1800 whales & maim-kill 15,000 dolphins -- creatures whose lives are ALREADY endangered on this planet.
 
Please click on one of the links below to find out more about this planned program -- that needs to be STOPPED!
 
--Norma
 

From: Drew
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Subject: Re: [atheists-36] Important update re: Navy to kill 1,800 whales and dolphins and deafen 15,900 more

That depends. Will this save human lives?


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Norma Jeane Young < [address removed]> wrote:


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From: Lyndia Storey < [address removed]>
To: Norma J. Young <[address removed]>
Sent: Monday, July 9,[masked]:43 PM
Subject: important update re: Navy to kill 1,800 whales and dolphins and deafen 15,900 more

Friends of the sea:
Our petition to stop the Navy from killing 1,800 whales and dolphins and deafening 15,900 more over the next five years now has more than 410,000 signatures, and will be delivered on Tuesday (tomorrow).
I would like to arrive at the Navy offices with 500,000 names of people who are asking for this to change. Can you share my petition and ask your friends and family who have not yet signed to add their names?
Yes, I'll post on Facebook right now, asking my friends to sign!
I'm not on Facebook, but I'll share the petition a different way.
Even if you've shared already, please share again. Or you can forward the note below to your friends via email.
Thank you a million times over.
–Lyndia Storey
(mother, grandmother, and lover of the sea)
Subject: Navy to kill 1,800 whales and dolphins? And deafen 15,900 more?
According to the U.S. Navy's own estimates, the use of high-frequency underwater sound for testing in Hawaii, off the California and Atlantic Coasts, and in the Gulf of Mexico will deafen 15,900 whales and dolphins and kill 1,800 more over the next five years.
Whales and dolphins depend on sound to navigate and live. The Navy is required to include comments from the public on their Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). Your signature and comment on this petition could help stop this naval program and save the lives of these ocean creatures. But there's a deadline of July 10, so we need to hurry.
The petition says:
Stop the killing of 1,800 whales and dolphins and the deafening of 15,900 more by ceasing the operation of the Navy's underwater sound system in the Hawaiian Islands, the California and Atlantic Coasts, and the Gulf of Mexico.
Will you sign the petition? Click here to add your name, and then pass it along to your friends:
http://signon.org/sign/navy-under-water-sound?source=s.fwd.in&r_by=1651684
Thanks for your help.
PS: The comments must be in by July 10, 2012, so please sign the petition today:
https://www.moveon.org/organizers/mailings2/http://signon.org/sign/navy-under-water-sound?source=s.fwd.in&r_by=1651684?id=45788-20321536-01%3DW%3D1x&t=3
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